Construction & Working Drawings - Discussion
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That's very nice work mate.
I've been exporting ortho view and importing them into acad but as previously mentioned they are rather messy.
I think on the next gig I might try to use layout with the office standard sheet layout and try it that way instead. It looks much nicer than a vector elevation with line weights.
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Architectural Working Drawings via SketchUp and LayOut.
This is what I want to do.
Any suggestions on "how" to do this?
I am a newbie, a bit lost as to how to "hold" a "scene" / layer that can be worked on. i.e. a floor plan, orthographic view, where I can add dimensions, notes, symbols, reference keys, section lines etc., all that would typically be on a floor plan drawing page.
How would this best be done?
any examples would be most helpful.
thanks
aloha
red -
Bert - I make stairs and I would consider your drawings to be as much information as anyone would need to build accurately. In fact more often than not we're working with much less information. A question - which was more satisfying to you - modeling the object in the computer or actually building it?
DirtySailor - beautiful house. Can I ask where it's located? The extended eaves makes me think it's in the South West someplace where the shade from the eaves would be desirable. Great work.
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Red,
Sorry for not getting back sooner the process is what I posted in an earlier post above. It is still a learning process as we've had mixed results. A couple important things is to have all the settings in your scenes, and styles set up prior to importing the model to layout. I think that some of the issues I am having is that my computer is just on the verge of not having enough oomph to get the job done. I have found that when I try to change the styles, shadowing, etc... in Layout that the computer dogs way down and then I start getting images where the section cuts show up, or the colors reappear. For elevations, once the model is dead on accurate with our floor plan I go into the material editor and I adjust the colors of the materials, using the HSB editor. Adjust the H&S to 0, then adjust the B value to define the level of detail for most materials in the example posted the B value was between 85, and 95. Note that I set the opacity for the materials to 100, including transparent glass. Once this is done I get the four scenes set up with the style that I want and the shadow settings. Then I import the model into layout.
I import a jpg of our company border (can't use template as each clients border is diff) and set up the sheets. I use the clipping mask to get rid of any unwanted stuff. Then I draw the heavy line, this line has to be drawn in segments. If it is continuous it turns into a mask and at each angle point you will loose whatever is behind it. Once this is done I note everything up. That's how I do it. I am just starting to get these plans ready to do another round of layout drawings. We have decide to try and use layout for our CD and permit set. So once they are done I'll post them.
Arial to answer your quesion we are based in Bend Oregon, and do work all over the Pacific Northwest.
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Just wanted to thank you guys for continuing to contribute to this thread.
DS, thanks for your examples, they are great!
@unknownuser said:
We have decide to try and use layout for our CD and permit set. So once they are done I'll post them.
@unknownuser said:I would be interested in hearing about your experience using Layout as you use it to create your Permit and CD set - and thanks for offering to post examples of these.
Regards,
-WB
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I am in the midst of this (endeavoring to use LayOut for Permit Plans) too, and it has been full of problems, so any perspectives, insights, examples would be most helpful.
thanks again
aloha
red -
Well I am almost ready to dive into the next round of layout with these plans. When I did the first elevations of this set the model was not 100% accurate or complete, but it was good enough for design review with the homeowners association. Since the model still needed to be creamed up a bit, we decided that the best way to handle this would be to create a component out of the model and open the component in a whole new drawing so that we could remove the color and such. Theory being that we could reload the model as it was updated and then not have to make many changes, and then the model would stay the same in layout. Good in theory, but with some quirks. In my new Sketchup drawing I had removed all the colors, set up all the shadowing, scenes, styles, and section cuts, etc... When I reloaded the the component of our model, all the stuff that I had done in my new model was wiped and the scenes, shadowing, and section cuts from the original model came in instead. Materials that had not been edited in the original model remained without color, those that had been edited or re-applied once again had color (this I had suspected would happen). I was surprised that my shadow settings and section cuts had changed. The shadow thing isn't all that bad, but putting the section cuts back in so that they line up perfect again to match my masking in layout may prove to be a pain. So I guess lesson learned set up sections and shadowing in original model if going this route. Today will be an all out push on getting these done so I will post something later this week showing the results.
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I resorted to 10pt, and that worked fine.
I too, did the dimensioning in SU, the text in LO...
got my first set to the building department today..
I have lots of questions still though.
I will keep you posted as to progress.
aloha
red -
Keep your eyes peeled to this discussion - I'm working right now on a paired SketchUp / Layout template (whenever I get a spare minute) that I plan to post. This would have sections, styles, layers, etc all set up beforehand - simply build your model on the template and CDs would be easy to export.
As for dimensions, I put my dimensions on a separate layer within my SU model and then link them in layout as an overlay.
Template should be up by appx. May 1.
kyle
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Great!!
I'm very impatient to see your paired template!!!
(In metrics or inches and feet?)Serge from Paris!!
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I have been keeping an eye on this thread. Good topic.
I agree with the view that layout and sketchup seem so near to being a BIM solution but I also think the potential for SU and Doublecad needs some serious consideration too. I have been using Doublecad every day for about 3 weeks now. To me, (general cad aside - which it is great for too) Doublecad is where Layout should be, it's SU friendliness sits it in an interesting middle-ground between SU and cad and it's made me realise just how wide this gap was. -
This is a very interesting thread and it encouraged me to open Layout for the first time and give it a try. I really like some of the features although I'm not ready to give up Datacad quite yet for my construction drawings
I think it will work great for presentation drawings.I'm really impressed with the quality of the line work of the images included in the scrapbook and need to investigate how to duplicate, edit and ad my own images of equal quality...equal to the quality I can achieve drawing in Adobe Illustrator. Anyone been down that road before and care to share any tips or techniques or should that be on a new thread?
Here's a few shots of my first attempt using Layout...WIP of a little pool house.
Enjoying this forum very much,
Robert
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Template should be up by appx. May 1.
kyle[/quote]
No news about it???
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@baseline said:
Keep your eyes peeled to this discussion - I'm working right now on a paired SketchUp / Layout template (whenever I get a spare minute) that I plan to post. This would have sections, styles, layers, etc all set up beforehand - simply build your model on the template and CDs would be easy to export.
As for dimensions, I put my dimensions on a separate layer within my SU model and then link them in layout as an overlay.
Template should be up by appx. May 1.
kyle
I´m waiting too for this promising template!
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@gjenio said:
@baseline said:
Keep your eyes peeled to this discussion - I'm working right now on a paired SketchUp / Layout template (whenever I get a spare minute) that I plan to post. This would have sections, styles, layers, etc all set up beforehand - simply build your model on the template and CDs would be easy to export.
As for dimensions, I put my dimensions on a separate layer within my SU model and then link them in layout as an overlay.
Template should be up by appx. May 1.
kyle
I´m waiting too for this promising template!
Any news?Sounds good this really looking forward to seeing it and giving it a go
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can't wait to see this template!
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@arail1 said:
Bert - I make stairs and I would consider your drawings to be as much information as anyone would need to build accurately. In fact more often than not we're working with much less information. A question - which was more satisfying to you - modeling the object in the computer or actually building it?
.arail1 sorry for beeing away so long
In fact, before I got acquainted with Sketchup, all my furnitures drawings were only pencil sketchs with all the unexpected errors!!
Now that I am getting used to Sketchup I realy appreciate creating the furnitures on screen and building them after. And as you probably have seen, Layout allows me to have a very decent document to take to the shop. I wish that there was more tutorials on how to make good print presentation for furniture. Beeing close to the seventies, it is no easy for me to master new techniques -
Bert,
I think you are right.
There needs to be more discussion about how to get the 3d models into working drawings within the SU/LO platform.
I know that is possible, and know that there are some folks out there doing various parts of "construction documents".
But the "work flow model" has yet to be discussed.
Specifically how go from creating to documenting utilizing layers, outliner, scenes, styles and text (how and where to put it in a model so that it translates into LO documents easily)
If anyone has any experience and or insights on this I welcome your feedback.
aloha
red -
I've been doing a fair number of furniture lately using SU and LO. I'm starting to get to grips with LO although I'm also finding some things I'd like to see made better. One of those is text handling (esp. tables) and rendering speed. Still, LO beats alternatives where one would export images from SU and put those images into the document. Very frequently changes are being made to the SU model up to near the end. It's valuable to have those changes get transferred to the plan document.
As an example, here are some thumbnails of a recent one. It's pretty simple as they go.
The last page contains a cutlist and BOM which were generated directly from the SketchUp model.
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Dave, that looks really nice. Any chance of posting it as a higher res PDF. Would be interested to know the workflow for the table. I haven't done anything with tables yet, and pulling data from SketchUp.
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