Religion anyone?

RickW

Funny thing Rick, I had never attached you to the Windowizer product. You know there is so much in the forum. It does explain a few things for me. The product looks just great!!

Thanks I'm thinking now, though, that I might have been better off sticking to the ruby forum These discussions are interesting, but time consuming...

@unknownuser said:

My personal observations re your character are of course just anecdotal.

No problem.

plot-paris

@unknownuser said:

Regarding “hundreds of years old”, again, you are partially right…!

Why?

Because:
“THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER "(1 Peter 1:25)

that was very good response. I really like it, Corel

boofredlay

@plot-paris said:

about the "anti christian" video of the farting priest, RickW: well, this guy is just so ridiculously funny - someone had to make fun of him. and I think this is one of those guys who are responsible, that many people have an aversion to the christian church.

Who said the Farting Preacher video was anti Christian? I am a Christian and I posted it up. I just think (with my childish brain) that putting this silly guy's sound/video bites with a bunch of fart noises is just plain funny.

Hey, did you guys see the news on Dark Flow?
Here is a snip from one of the articles:

@unknownuser said:

"The clusters show a small but measurable velocity that is independent of the universe's expansion and does not change as distances increase," says lead researcher Alexander Kashlinsky at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "We never expected to find anything like this."

Kashlinsky calls this collective motion a "dark flow" in the vein of more familiar cosmological mysteries: dark energy and dark matter. "The distribution of matter in the observed universe cannot account for this motion," he says.

I am interested in you and your son's thoughts/research on this is Alan (or anybody for that matter).
Pretty interesting stuff.

tomasz

You lads, are exploring such interesting aspects of science.
Everything has very 'reasonable' explanation.
ONE FORCE UNIFICATION UNIVERSE THEORY
Just to add more spice to the mixture.

[flash=425,344:1chtisqb]http://www.youtube.com/v/RrRKVG5F2DY&hl=en&fs=1[/flash:1chtisqb]
Despite the video, I don't think scientists are all ... weird.. neither Christian preachers
I wouldn't dare to think that all efforts to find 'The Unified Theory' are useless, even the one displayed above.
Please do not spend to much time on watching this video

Alan Fraser

Thanks for the link Eric. We hadn't heard about that. Maybe it will appear in next month's Physics World.
The fact that NASA is suggesting that this matter is being attracted by something beyond the observable universe may well lead to a verification of Alan Guth's theory of Inflation in the early stages of the Big Bang.

The observable universe has nothing to do with the resolution of telescopes. It's the physical limit placed by the age of the universe itself. As the universe is approximately 13.7 billion years old, then the furthest objects observable are those that have been speeding away from us for all that time. So the observable universe has to lie within the cosmological horizon in which the light from those distant objects has had the necessary time to reach us. Anything beyond that will remain forever invisible. The exact distance of this horizon is governed by a complex set of equations based on the distance of a galaxy and its present speed of recession. Basically there is a race between the galaxy receding in one direction and the light coming back to us in the other, but it's not a simple question of relative motion like a golf ball being thrown from the back of a speeding train.

The basic Big Bang theory has a number of problems, the principal one being that of flatness.
The inflationary theory postulates that a massive influx of energy caused an exponential expansion of the early universe. This process was necessary to account for the flatness of the universe, which is basically much flatter than it ought to be, Flatness refers to the density of the universe, not its physical shape.
Inflation also dictates that the actual universe is much larger than the observable universe...something of the order of a gumball compared to the Earth itself. It might just be that we are getting the first physical evidence of this.

Of course, now we have the questions of where did all that energy come from...and what exactly is out there beyond where it oughta be. I guess we are right back on topic for the Religion thread.

JuanV.Soler

impressive

fascinating

%(#004080)[thanks for the link Tomasz ]

tomasz

Alan, your son and others - I've got something to heat up your minds and probably hearts as well.
Now It is my turn to play with quotations. I thought it would be better to put it into 'Love- a path to follow' thread, but I realized 'Religion anyone?' is much more appropriate, as we all are looking at/for a religion(s) from a scientific point of view, rather then spiritual. In my view, it is not wise to separate those approaches as each of them brings in something valuable. Therefore you will find below quotations from both sources.

Just as introduction - first quote:

@unknownuser said:

"Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to contemplation of the truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth in a Word, to know Himself so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves."

It won't be wrong if we say that there is just one reality in our World. Therefore reason and faith are trying to describe same thing, but from opposite directions. If science will get deep enough, where it will find that there are things beyond its possibilities and when the faith will not reject the founding of former,but will try to incorporate them, there is a chance they will meet. The faith must be therefore right in its description of the reality otherwise it will never meet the reason.

So let's start.

@unknownuser said:

"The clusters show a small but measurable velocity that is independent of the universe's expansion and does not change as distances increase," says lead researcher Alexander Kashlinsky at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "We never expected to find anything like this."

Kashlinsky calls this collective motion a "dark flow" in the vein of more familiar cosmological mysteries: dark energy and dark matter. "The distribution of matter in the observed universe cannot account for this motion," he says.

Lets consider that this article says true and scientists are not wrong what they write. Dark matter is a 'temporary name', as far as I know, because scientists are not really sure what they are dealing with.

@unknownuser said:

Zero point energy - in quantum field theory, it is a synonym for the vacuum energy, an amount of energy associated with the vacuum of empty space. In cosmology, the vacuum energy is taken to be the origin of the cosmological constant which is thought by many to produce dark energy. Experimentally, the zero-point energy of the vacuum leads directly to the Casimir effect, and is directly observable in nano-scale devices.

Because zero point energy is the lowest possible energy a system can have, this energy cannot be removed from the system. A related term is zero-point field, which is the lowest energy state of a field; i.e. its ground state, which is non-zero.

This point may bring a lot of discussion, but what I want to emphasize that science is observing forces that were not expected in the nano-scales - when probability starts to rule, not a 'precise science'.
Alan has written about a 'horizon of events' we will have never insight beyond.
(btw. I enjoyed Stephen Hawking's 'A Brief History of Time' very much)

So both in macro and nano scales the reason is loosing it confidence.

Let's have a look at what faith has to say in macro and micro scales.

@unknownuser said:

I am that I am

It is a common English translation of the response God used in the Bible when Moses asked for his name (Exodus 3:14).
A finding from a point 1. mentions a 'measurable velocity that is independent of the universe's expansion'. I've got a theory, good as any other, that this constant and independent of the universe expansion is Love. Of course this theory doesn't have to be true. The point is that there is a good chance that at those levels science and faith can meet. Can start a dialogue.

@unknownuser said:

"In him we live, and move, and have our being.

Paul's experience of Love gives him confidence in declaring this truth to residents of Athens. It means, in his opinion, we are submerged in Love. The love is surrounding us, filling us and letting us live. Is it not close to points 1 & 2 which are stating an existence of an energy from unknown source? Of course, it doesn't have to be Love, it doesn't have to be our Father. It can be other kind of energy... but.. aren't those statements from opposite 'side of a coin' not correlated??

@unknownuser said:

The blue planet was getting smaller and smaller and surrounding was getting brighter and brighter. I have had a gradually increasing feeling that all my problems, all problems of the Earth are not that important and not that scary. I have started to worry about my parents and all loved one I had left on the planet, but that feeling has vanished as well. Its place has been taken by growing peace and I realized I hear an choir somewhere singing just one waving sound and noticed that the light is very bright then ... it has hit me. The feeling of LOVE AND PEACE I cannot describe in words. It was so immense, so powerful that I haven't even thought about a fear.

My own experience of Love that fills the entire Universe with itself. 'The field' that is bringing everything to right place - gives a Peace. If my faith and faith of all Christians is true it will meat the reason one day.

Take care
Tomasz

cornel

Tomasz wrote:
“My own experience of Love that fills the entire Universe with itself. 'The field' that is bringing everything to right place - gives a Peace. If my faith and faith of all Christians is true it will meat the reason one day”.

I think it’s doable, because God is omnipresent and God is love:
“We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.” (1 John 4:16)

Besides that, Jesus Christ said:
“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.” (John 15:10)

Cornel

pbacot

@unknownuser said:

DAVENPORT, Iowa (CNN) – A minister delivering the invocation at John McCain’s rally in Davenport, Iowa Saturday told the crowd non-Christian religions around the world were praying for Barack Obama to win the U.S. presidential election.

“There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” CNN News 10/11/08

@unknownuser said:

...If God's on our side He'll stop the next war. *Dylan

"So now as I'm leaving
I'm weary as Hell..." (also Dylan)

tomasz

The only thing I pray for is a wisdom for Americans, whatever it means in this case.
A society being fed upon world wrestling entertainment and such definitely needs it a lot.

solo

3rd time lucky .... hopefully

bellwells

@unknownuser said:

Pete, don't spend too much time searching for this junk or you might get sucked in.

Here is one I saw years ago. There are many more versions but this one is the first... the classic... the
FARTING PREACHER.

[flash=425,355:rav05xuy]http://www.youtube.com/v/6waXPTSrGiA[/flash:rav05xuy]

Eric, this is the funniest darn thing I have seen in years. My head and stomach hurt from laughing so much. Thanks..

cornel

Yes, Tomasz,

“…Wisdom…” and humbleness of mind…!

[..."God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble." (1 Peter 5:5)]

Cornel

Pixero

Why not chat with God himself: http://www.titane.ca/igod/main.html

@unknownuser said:

Me:
When is Sketchup7 coming?
God:
At the appropriate time, no sooner.

@unknownuser said:

Me:
When will Sketchup7 be released?
God:
Maybe never.

Alan Fraser

It's official. In fact it's even older than we thought

Me:
how old is the earth?
God:
It is over six billion years old.

Alan Fraser

Bummer. I don't think that's God; I think it's a politician.

Me:
Do you have a pet cat called Mikey?
God:
That's an interesting question I don't hear everyday: Do I have a pet cat called Mikey.
I have a plan for a robot body.

1.Procrastinate to gain time.
2. Repeat the question to gain more time.
3. Avoid answering the question.

Nuff said.

plot-paris

ok. after this discussion subsided in the end (well, after 18 pages), I can't resist starting another one. in fact, this is a question that I haven't entirely answered myself and therefore would like to hear your thoughts about it...