[POLL]: If SU 7 will not have multicore/high poly support
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I chose the third option. But I'm really hoping it won't be necessary to choose another 'core app'. There just isn't a comparable app out there. Sure, there's other easy modelers, but which of those have plugins for Maxwell and Vray?
If Googles actually does implement high poly, multi core etc, etc - well, then I cannot think of any reason why I should ever replace SU as my core modeler. Actually ... I think many will users of other apps will jump ship, and choose SU, as the combination of 'high poly SU', a cheap 'organic modeler' and a decent renderer will serve most, if not all modeling and rendering needs.
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When you say multi-core support what do you mean? Do you mean for exporting video and images? As far as I understand its impossible to make the modeller itself use more than one core and there are no modelers out there that does that.
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Whats is perhaps more important for me is better texturing and the ability to texture triangulated surfaces.
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SU 7 &????
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@chango70 said:
When you say multi-core support what do you mean? Do you mean for exporting video and images? As far as I understand its impossible to make the modeller itself use more than one core and there are no modelers out there that does that.
Second about that. Multicore is for rendering process only AFAIK.
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well, you can place processor intensive actions, like they occur with ruby scripts very often, on a different thread. if the UserInterface is in a seperate thread, it will never freeze and can show you the status of the process running in the background.
or when you export a huge image or animation... you send it off (to a seperate thread) and then you can continue working on the model, while the export runs in the background...
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@plot-paris said:
well, you can place processor intensive actions, like they occur with ruby scripts very often, on a different thread. if the UserInterface is in a seperate thread, it will never freeze and can show you the status of the process running in the background.
or when you export a huge image or animation... you send it off (to a seperate thread) and then you can continue working on the model, while the export runs in the background...
Being able to see the progress of rubys and cancel it would be great. At the moment, the moment I change focus to another window when SU is working with a ruby that uses alot of CPU, like sandbox, the UI flickers and the statusbar doesn't redraw. Not is there a way to cancel it.
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Tom, may i ask why you dont upgrade to 6? i cant see any disadvantage to running 6 Vs. running 5.
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Can't really answer your poll as written, Kwist...because I would continue using SU5 as my core modeler (not SU7, or SU6, which I use less than only occasionally for only a couple of it's "improvements"). I would also give up hoping on Google and intensify my search for a program that can handle high-poly so I can import my AtLast building models into complex site scenes using 3D landscape components.
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Remus, I have 6 up and running...but, since I don't at all like the changes to the UI, I only use it for photomatching (which most projects don't call for) and occasionally to add sketchy edges to an edge-only export for some use in PSP.
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Fair enough, cant really argue against preference.
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Actually,if you put it like that, me neither.
Tom, I take it that you are referring to the 'styles' menu. Some features were moved from the 'model info' and 'preferences' in SU 5 to the new 'styles' palette in SU 6. It took me a while to adapt to that.Besides that, SU6 hasn't really got downsides over SU 5, at least not in my opinion.
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Kwist, I do realize after these months with SU6 my ongoing complaints are a little silly (ok, pissy :`) but I was pretty disappointed at that time...and would have been livid if I had paid for it. (So it still pleases me...?)
Needless to say: I won't be buying SU7 if the "upgrades" are similar unless the price is the same.
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If your looking for advantages, theres always those rubies everyone keeps harking on about. Id say whats available in 6 is worth the upgrade from 5, personally.
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i think i will keep using SU even if su 7 will not have multicore or something,it's just a tool.and i think the most important is your idea.Of course,the new vision will be more better to use,expecting! -
Remus, for me...right now: speed down my chosen path/shortcut is of most importance to my workflow.
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Well FormZ has announced Bonsai 3D and Microsoft/Solidworks has 3DVia (the interface stinks).
I really like Sketchup, but I'm not the big user.
After I started my own Architectural company 1½ years ago I found out that our main app. had to be AutoDesk Architecture, as our main work is on the construction site, and it's our customers demand.But I also found that Sketchup is far the fastest/most easy tool for design, better (for us) than 3DS Max we thought was indispensable as I used it in my earlier job.
All the e.g. scripts, renders that Sketchup can work with makes it at great tool, and when you see work like e.g. "Silver Shadow" it makes you realise that modeling problems comes from bad skills and not from Sketchups capabilities.
Anyway I hope that SU7 will have the high poly support, multicore support, organic modeling tools, and other stuff, so Sketchup can keep leeding the "easy modeling" race.
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@unknownuser said:
I urge each and everyone one complaining about this issue to look beyond the default settings for SketchUp
Me me me!!! I want to do that but aren't experienced enough in SU to know what will help and what will kill it.
Is there a list of all these tweaks? I always turn of profiles, but I dont even know how to make that the default
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@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
All the e.g. scripts, renders that Sketchup can work with makes it at great tool, and when you see work like e.g. "Silver Shadow" it makes you realise that modeling problems comes from bad skills and not from Sketchups capabilities.
Truer words never spoken.
I'm really fed up reading these complain posts that SU7 needs this and that it needs that or people will skip to another program.
If that were the case, then why has the overall userbase of SketchUp exploded over the past two years ever since Google released a free version?Back to Ark's comments.
I think most people don't really utilize SketchUp's interface to speed up their framerates. For examples, is anyone:- ...using the 'Hide rest of model' function found in the 'Components' section of the 'Model Info' panel?
That requires a keyboard shortcut to operate in less than a second. - ...lowering their 'Transparency quality' [found in the 'Face Settings' section of the 'Edit' tab of the 'Styles' panel].
- ...turning off 'Profile Edges' [found in the 'Edge Settings' section of the 'Edit' tab of the 'Styles' panel].
And this list can go on for about 30 other tweaks, including but not limited to hardware settings which you can change in your display driver software that came with your video card, along with several tweak utilities by 3rd parties. And yes they DO help.
This is not to brag, but I have a GeForce video chip based on the 7000 series which is considered old these days, and I can orbit models of up to 50000 SketchUp Faces with ease. Especially when changing the settings I mention above. And that does not mean automatically having to turn off Anti-Aliasing.
Besides the SketchUp interface being underused there are a lot of external factors which determine SketchUp's speed. CPU is a big factor yes. But memory (RAM) and the type used does also, and it certainly makes a difference whether you are using slower or faster RAM.
- Are you running any other applications besides SketchUp?
- Does your video card contain the latest driver for your operating system?
- Do you start using SketchUp when first logging on to your operating system, or after having ran several programs first? Especially some versions of Windows are known for not restoring free memory and clogging up your available resources.
- Are you running SketchUp in a Windows environment on the Mac?
SketchUp is not - and never has been - meant for high poly modeling. It was meant for sketching designs and bringing those into 3D. Not the over-the-top stuff that some people have been doing lately, really pushing SketchUp beyond its limits. That's all good and well and it certainly does arise the question if SketchUp has not outgrown the napkin modeler it was intended to be.
Regardless of all this, what most people seem to have missed, is that SketchUp has DOUBLED its framerate speed when orbiting with each new version since v4.
In v6 a lot of tweaks were introduced, among which is a very useful LoD (Level of Detail) feature which renders distant objects farther away from the camera as wireframe cubes.
Other tweaks were made which hide certain Edges from view if the framerate drops below a certain level.What bothers me most, is that complaining about leaving SketchUp for something else. You all KNOW why you are using SketchUp and you all KNOW the feeling it gave you when you first touched it.
As a SketchUp evangelist I know like all of you that no one company has even come close mimicing SketchUp's ability. They all try and fail. Instead, they copycat everything SketchUp does. AutoCad is an example of that with their Press/Pull tool.I don't want to go on forever with this post, but I urge each and everyone one complaining about this issue to look beyond the default settings for SketchUp and first see what YOU can do to improve its performance. Instead of relying on big G to fix your problems.
I am still a bit of a newbie with Sketchup, basically doing basic stuff, I have done a plan layout for work of a new Water Tank sales yard, stuff like that, as I said pretty basic.
But I have never seen or read of any tutorials of all these tweaks you mention.
I have just looked at the video for 4 rubies and found the video very informative and helpful.... Is it possible to get a tutorial especially a video tut on how to perform these tweaks and their main benefits. . its much easier to appreciate the knowledge past on with visual help? - ...using the 'Hide rest of model' function found in the 'Components' section of the 'Model Info' panel?
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Me too. I use all the tricks Coen mentioned and SU still is mighty slow on high poly scenes.
Just try importing 1 Xfrog tree.For low poly modleing SU remains ok.
For high poly simply NOT.And Coen, you are right saying the new rubies expand the SU experience.
A lot of those, however, ask for high poly support to be run smoothly , e.g subdivide 'nd smooth, Free from deformation etc...
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