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    • W Offline
      wm_cheng
      last edited by

      I plan to be building a i7 Core 920 soon and received a handful of "hand-me-down" graphics cards which I hope you can help me decide on which ones would be best for SketchUp use;

      ATI Radeon 5850
      ATI FireGL v8650
      ATI FireGL v7600
      ATI Radeon 4850

      I think the 5850 is the newest of the bunch (but it primarily for gaming) whereas the FireGL is workstation class with 2Gb of memory, but it IS 2 years old (which is an eternity by computer time!). Which would be better to use? Would I benefit from "Cross-Fire" linking of them in SketchUp? Can I cross-fire link a Radeon with a FireGL?

      I hope to build the new rig with 6Gb RAM and Windows 7 64bit - anything I should be aware of as it pertains to SketchUp?

      Thanks,

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      • brodieB Offline
        brodie
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        I can't speak to those specific model numbers but I've had both Radeon and FireGL and have run into quarky issues with SU. Some of them have been detrimental (selecting faces behind the one I selected) and some of them have only been annoyances (odd coloring of selected faces). If you browse around this thread you'll see all sorts of recommendations against ATI cards in conjunction with SketchUp.

        That said, if they're free it's worth giving them a shot before you spend cold hard cash on an nVidia card. But what might end up being the determiner isn't so much which card is best but which card plays nicest with SketchUp. I'd start with whichever card is the newest and has the latest drivers unless someone speaks up who has one of these cards in particular.

        -Brodie

        steelblue http://www.steelbluellc.com

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        • AnssiA Offline
          Anssi
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          I would start by trying the FireGLs. Last week I had, after being sceptical for a long time, to admit that a mobile FireGL in a Lenovo notebook seemed to work OK with SU. However, the OS was the tried and tested Windows XP 32-bit. So it is definitely a question of finding the right drivers for the OS.

          As for performance, I don't think you will have any problems about that. SU is still quite CPU-oriented (and single-threaded), and any decent graphics card will do. In comparison to my old P IV notebook with mobile Geforce graphics a quad-core Xeon with a middlerange QuadroFX is noticeably, but not explosively faster, but the older one is still quite usable, at least with my small models.

          I understand that linking two graphics cards only speeds up gaming (Direct3D) performance, but has no effect on OpenGL (that SU uses)

          Anssi

          securi adversus homines, securi adversus deos rem difficillimam adsecuti sunt, ut illis ne voto quidem opus esset

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          • charly2008C Offline
            charly2008
            last edited by

            I have now taken a decision for the following equipment:

            Processor : Core I7 920 4x2,67Ghz

            Mainboard : Asus P6T Deluxe Intel X58 Chipsset

            Memory : 6 GB DDR3 1333Mhz

            GPU : Nvidia Geforce GTX 275 896MB

            Operating Sytem : Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit

            He who makes no mistakes, makes nothing

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              chango70
              last edited by

              Some good info on graphics cards

              favicon

              (www.gpureview.com)

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              • C Offline
                chango70
                last edited by

                I heard the latest batch of ATI graphics cards (Radeon HD 5770 and HD 5970)have taken the long held performance crown from Nvidia. Whilst they might be gaming champs do they play nice with Sketchup? Has any early adopters had any experience? I am currently thinking about jumping the bandwagon but are worried about the old ATI driver reputation.

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                • thomthomT Offline
                  thomthom
                  last edited by

                  I just got a new computer at work with and ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2
                  Powerful beast - but some graphical glitches on occasion while working with SU.

                  Powerful Hardware is one thing - but it doesn't help much if the software isn't to par. IMO - i still prefer nVidia as their drivers and OpenGL support seems more stable.

                  Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                  List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                    chango70
                    last edited by

                    Cheers. I guess I will have to wait until Jan next year for the next batch of competing Nvidia GPUs (as rumors go). I wish ATI would just sort out their OpenGL driver issues.

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                    • thomthomT Offline
                      thomthom
                      last edited by

                      I want my Quadro FX 3500 back.... 😞

                      Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                      List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                      • charly2008C Offline
                        charly2008
                        last edited by

                        Hi,
                        finally, my new PC is ready for use. I've installed all the software again. Only with the driver for the Creative Audigy sound card, there are problems. Also, some older programs can't be installed any more. Now I have to try the power the PC brings.

                        I have selected the following equipment:
                        Processor: Intel Core i7 860
                        Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3, Intel P55
                        RAM: 8 GB
                        Grafics card: XFX GeForce GTS 250 512 MB
                        two SATA Harddisk each 350 GB
                        OS: Windows 7 64-bit

                        The first test with Sketchup delivered the following results:


                        Test.SKP


                        Test.SKP with shadows


                        SU Framerate test


                        SU Framerate test with shadows

                        He who makes no mistakes, makes nothing

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                        • brodieB Offline
                          brodie
                          last edited by

                          Good looking computer and good benchmarks there.

                          -Brodie

                          steelblue http://www.steelbluellc.com

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                          • D Offline
                            dsarchs
                            last edited by

                            This might be a little late in answering but I'm almost positive you need two of the same card to use cross-fire (eg. (2) 5850 CARDS).
                            I'd be wary of spending a bunch of money on a workstation graphics card for SU. The only real difference between "gaming" cards and workstation cards are the drivers and the tech. support. For some programs -- 3d Studio Max, for example, the drivers make a huge difference. I haven't heard that they've been optimized for SU.
                            For ATI cards, the DirectX 11 seems to be useless for anything less than a 5850 as the cards aren't powerful enough to compensate for the performance hit from using dx11 instead of dx10. The 5000 series is MUCH more energy efficient but you can get more power/$ from using the 4000 series (not to mention more mature drivers). The 4890 is a very powerful card and can be had for ~$180 or so. That said, the 5850 and 5870 are very nice cards.
                            Recently there was an article (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-11.html) about 2d (and 2.5d) graphics where the ATI cards perform VERY poorly (and the NVIDIA cards are not much better). Fixes are supposed to be in the works, but it's still worth knowing.

                            NVIDIA cards tend to be more expensive than ATI for comparable power although they are sometimes more stable and you need an NVIDIA card to use CUDA (having the graphics card help with general processing) in programs like Octane Render (which looks like it could be amazing).

                            Hopefully some of this is helpful.

                            Knowledge is a polite word for dead but not buried imagination.

                            -e.e.cummings

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                            • AnssiA Offline
                              Anssi
                              last edited by

                              @dsarchs said:

                              This might be a little late in answering but I'm almost positive you need two of the same card to use cross-fire (eg. (2) 5850 CARDS)...
                              ...For ATI cards, the DirectX 11 seems to be useless for anything less than a 5850 as the cards aren't powerful enough to compensate for the performance hit from using dx11 instead of dx10.

                              DirectX performance and crossfire and related technologies are totally irrelevant in the case of SketchUp. SU uses OpenGL, not DirectX, and OpenGL does not support the multiple graphics card technologies.

                              Anssi

                              securi adversus homines, securi adversus deos rem difficillimam adsecuti sunt, ut illis ne voto quidem opus esset

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                                dsarchs
                                last edited by

                                I was just responding to an earlier question about whether or not you could use different types of cards for cross-fire/sli.
                                As for directx, I was saying that the benefits of directx 11 are useless unless you get the top level of cards. I know that SU doesn't use cross-fire or dx, but presumably the machine will be used for programs other than su. GPGPU rendering/processing is coming soon to say nothing of games 😉
                                Besides, if SU is the sole reason for investing in new hardware your money would be better spent on cpu/cooling/ram or something and just getting an 8800gt video card.

                                Knowledge is a polite word for dead but not buried imagination.

                                -e.e.cummings

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                                • Y Offline
                                  yukonhoo
                                  last edited by

                                  I haven't read through this entire thread (couldn't do 22 pages!), so I apologize if this has been mentioned already, but I'm looking to get some kind of external storage, or something to back up my system because my computer has been acting up lately.

                                  I was wondering if there is a particular storage system/brand/type that is most reliable for long-term storage of sketchup files? and then also a system that is best for accessing files more often?

                                  Thanks a lot guys!

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                                  • brookefoxB Offline
                                    brookefox
                                    last edited by

                                    So its been a year and a half or so since the survey got under way? Are the results buried in here somewhere, or buried somewhere somewhere?

                                    ~ Brooke

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                                    • D Offline
                                      Dennis_n
                                      last edited by

                                      hi there,
                                      did anyone come across the ATI Radeon HD 3200 on a laptop?

                                      also, If I buy a laptop in a store, and prepare a flash card with a viewer and a fat skp file, what is the best SU test I can do to compare available models?

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                                      • brodieB Offline
                                        brodie
                                        last edited by

                                        @dennis_n said:

                                        hi there,
                                        did anyone come across the ATI Radeon HD 3200 on a laptop?

                                        also, If I buy a laptop in a store, and prepare a flash card with a viewer and a fat skp file, what is the best SU test I can do to compare available models?

                                        I ran across a ruby awhile back that allows for a SU benchmark http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=10750#p75785

                                        If you continue through the following pages you'll find several benchmark skp files that people posted and subsequent results.

                                        Also have a look at http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=20076

                                        -Brodie

                                        steelblue http://www.steelbluellc.com

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                                        • brookefoxB Offline
                                          brookefox
                                          last edited by

                                          Uh..., that's a seriously useful re-direct.

                                          Thanks.

                                          ~ Brooke

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                                          • brodieB Offline
                                            brodie
                                            last edited by

                                            haha, sorry about that first link. I thought it would link directly to my post. The link was supposed to redirect you to the 4th page of this thread where I bring up the Test.time_display ruby 😄

                                            By the way, it doesn't seem to work unless you capitalize that first "T". In other words, it must be Test.time_display NOT test.time_display

                                            -Brodie

                                            steelblue http://www.steelbluellc.com

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