Hardware recommendations

plot-paris · 22 Mar 2009, 14:02

that is really illiminating: I just ran your Cube Test with SketchUp 7 on an old, dirty Windows Vista and got an average of 7.8 fps

then I ran it (on the same Acer Aspire 8920 laptop!) again with SketchUp 7; but this time on a reasonably clean Windows 7 Beta (a few months in use).
and this time I got an average of 20 fps!!!

so same test, same model, same SketchUp version - but a different Operating System. the difference is absolutely amazing. almost three times the speed!
(therefore a bit of advertising here: if you are running on Windows Vista you MUST upgrade to Windows 7 as soon as it is released (for the beta is sooo much more stable and fast than Vista. it hasn't crashed once since I installed it)

thomthom · 22 Mar 2009, 14:58

@plot-paris said:

that is really illiminating: I just ran your Cube Test with SketchUp 7 on an old, dirty Windows Vista and got an average of 7.8 fps

then I ran it (on the same Acer Aspire 8920 laptop!) again with SketchUp 7; but this time on a reasonably clean Windows 7 Beta (a few months in use).
and this time I got an average of 20 fps!!!

so same test, same model, same SketchUp version - but a different Operating System. the difference is absolutely amazing. almost three times the speed!
(therefore a bit of advertising here: if you are running on Windows Vista you MUST upgrade to Windows 7 as soon as it is released (for the beta is sooo much more stable and fast than Vista. it hasn't crashed once since I installed it)

Or, it could be due to old vs new installation of the OS.
But I can also recommend Windows7 when it's released.

Wazzer · 27 Mar 2009, 06:04

Hi Guys

I have been a sketchup user for a couple years now and just love it!
I have recently started work at a new company and introduced them to SketchUp and they have been blown away.
The problem is the new company laptop i have been provided with just isnt upto the job
The company will upgrade my laptop for me and I want to make sure my chosen one will be Suitable for Heavy SketchUp use

My chosen Laptop is the
IBM ThinkPad Lenovo T61P 6460-E8A
Intel Core 2 Duo T9500 2.6GHz
4GB DDR2 667MHz RAM
250 GB S-ATA Harddisk 5400rpm
15.4" UXGA Screen 1920 X 1200
256 MB Nvidia Quadro FX 570M

It has to be an IBM im afraid

Can anyone tell me weather this will do the Job as well as i hope?
I am also upgrading to SketchUp 7 Pro at the same time

I am currently using my personal laptop which is an old Dell Inspiron 6000 with Radeon x300 and 1.7ghz processor. This laptop performs surprisingly well but i hope the Lenovo laptop stated above will be a significant upgrade

many thanks for your time

Ben

Jackson · 27 Mar 2009, 07:29

@wazzer said:

My chosen Laptop is the
IBM ThinkPad Lenovo T61P 6460-E8A
Intel Core 2 Duo T9500 2.6GHz
4GB DDR2 667MHz RAM
250 GB S-ATA Harddisk 5400rpm
15.4" UXGA Screen 1920 X 1200
256 MB Nvidia Quadro FX 570M

Sounds good. SketchUp 7 will only use one of your CPU cores, but 2.6GHz is a respectable speed.

remus · 27 Mar 2009, 07:33

The other core will help with multi-tasking, as well

The only thing i can think you might want to upgrade is the hard drive, its quite small, but then again external hard drives are very cheap, so you could always just pick one up if you need some extra space.

Wazzer · 27 Mar 2009, 09:21

Thanks for the fast feedback guys

just found out that someone else in the office has a very similar spec Lenovo T61P laptop
so will get him to run the Cube test adn see what results it gets.

By the way my Dell Inspiron with 1.7ghz and Radeon X300 with 2Gb ram get on average 10.3 Fps

What is a good score to hope for?

Thanks

Anssi · 27 Mar 2009, 18:43

@wazzer said:

My chosen Laptop is the
IBM ThinkPad Lenovo T61P 6460-E8A
Intel Core 2 Duo T9500 2.6GHz
4GB DDR2 667MHz RAM
250 GB S-ATA Harddisk 5400rpm
15.4" UXGA Screen 1920 X 1200
256 MB Nvidia Quadro FX 570M

You should be OK with it, if your models are not too big. The graphics card is one of the "low-end" Quadros, so not the fastest, we used to have desktop versions of that. With 256 Mb of memory you should check the performance with an external monitor too, if you are going to use one when at the office.

I would guess that this machine is not one of the cheapest. If money is no object, you could also check the W series "workstation" laptops, they have on offer the more modern Quadro FX 2700 and 3700 cards.

Anssi

Wazzer · 30 Mar 2009, 01:58

many thanks

I will look into the W700 it looks like a very nice machine and the 1GB Quadro FX3700 should certainly get the job done!!

AkaBear · 30 Mar 2009, 02:43

Currently looking at this new Dell model for myself and recommending for my office. Am interested in feedback if it is a reasonable setup for:
Sketchup, Vray, 3dsMax, Photoshop and some games but not high end.

some applications will be work only.
price is important as it is 2/3 the cost of XPS 730.

Dell Studio XPS 435 specs:

PROCESSORS Intel Core?i7-920 processor(8MB L2 Cache, 2.66GHz)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista Ultimate SP1, 64-bit
WARRANTY AND SERVICE 3Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis edit
MEMORY 6GB Tri-Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 6 DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 1TB Performance RAID 0 (500GB SATA 7200 RPM HDD)
OPTICAL DRIVE DVD+/-RW
MONITORS Dell 20 inch Ultrasharp
VIDEO CARD ATI Radeon HD 4870 1GB
SOUND CARD Creative PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
SPEAKERS No speakers
KEYBOARD Dell Wireless Desktop Keyboard & Mouse
MOUSE Mouse included in Wireless, Laser or Bluetooth Package
MODEM No Modem Option
ACCIDENTAL PROTECTION Complete Care Accidental Damage Protection, 3 Year
OTHER15-in-1 Card Reader
EXPANSION SLOTS PCI: 1 slot, PCIe x1: 3 slots ,PCIe x8: 1 slot ,PCIe x16 (Graphics): 1 slot

Max processor available Core i7-965 processor (8MB L3 Cache, 3.2GHz)
Up to 24gig Memory
Not so interested in Dual Drives with a Blu-ray Disc (BD) Burner
Did read somewhere about its capacity to have dual Video Cards but not sure on that one.

Reference
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-studio-xps-435?c=us&cs=19&l=en&ref=dthp&s=dhs

Any feedback would be most appreciated.

remus · 30 Mar 2009, 06:52

That appears to be a quality machine, the only thing i can think to check is how good the openGL support is for the graphics card, it can be quite variable.

If youve got any spare cash id up the ram a but, although 6GB should be enough for most stuff.

brodie · 30 Mar 2009, 12:59

ditto on what Remus said. The ATI card would probably be fine for everything except SU, where many many people have issues with them. 6Gb Ram is a good amount but you probably wouldn't be sorry if you bumped it up to 8, although that's something you could always do down the road.

Everything else looks high class to me.

-Brodie

AkaBear · 30 Mar 2009, 22:58

I have done a little reading, according to the product specs it says OpenGL 2.1 support.

http://ati.amd.com/products/Radeonhd4800/specs.html

Is this what I would be after or should I do a bit of a background search first.

And/or just get the maching with the cheaper of the two graphics cards and buy a NVIDIA card later?

Gaieus · 31 Mar 2009, 02:02

It's not that this particular card should have any problem with SU (at least that most people would know of here) but in general, many ATI cards have been performing somewhat "funnily" despite all claim to be fully OpenGL compliant of course. This may certainly be true with certain nVidia series as well - maybe just folks know nVidias better here.

I used to have an ATI card and have never had any problem with it (true that it didn't seem to have any effect if I turned hardware acceleration on/off)

As for dual video cards - forget about it (if you are asking about SU).

Finally the processor; if you have the chance to go for the 3.2 GHz one, go for it - even if you need to "sacrifice" some performance on the graphics card end to be in balance with the budget. This is the part SU uses a lot with high poly models.

And if you eventually buy this machine, don't ever come back here because we will hate you.

brodie · 31 Mar 2009, 13:36

If you can find a great deal on the 3.2 it'd definately help SU out a bit but I think they're running about $600 more expensive than the 2.66's right now. For that kind of money you could probably overclock and burn through 2 2.66's and by that time the i7's will be going for 6 cereal box tops.

-Brodie

thomthom · 31 Mar 2009, 13:40

I've got an Intel Q9450 which is originally 2.66GHz, but a friend of mine helped me overclock it to 3.3GHz. I would have gone higher if I had better RAM.
There is money to save on the CPU if you get a processor and motherboard than can be overclocked. (And you know how or know someone who can overclock computers.)

AkaBear · 1 Apr 2009, 05:40

Thank you very much for the replies and feedback.

The more I have learned about this the more questions it has raised.

Are the issues associated with migration of 32bit xp pro to 64bit vista ultimate all that bad. Many of the applications I have will not be upgraded at the same time. (Autocad 2004, Sketchup, and 3ds Max and Adobe suite at work.)

remus · 1 Apr 2009, 07:32

you shouldnt have too many problems, as long as you remember to download 64 bit drivers for everything.

thomthom · 1 Apr 2009, 07:49

@akabear said:

Thank you very much for the replies and feedback.

The more I have learned about this the more questions it has raised.

Are the issues associated with migration of 32bit xp pro to 64bit vista ultimate all that bad. Many of the applications I have will not be upgraded at the same time. (Autocad 2004, Sketchup, and 3ds Max and Adobe suite at work.)

Vista64bit support is much much better than XP 64. I haven't run Vista64bit, but I'm running Windows7 64bit, which uses pretty much the same driver system as Vista and I got no problems with any applications. That include SU, 3DSMax, Adobe CS4.
I got wo-workes that run Vista64 at home and they also report no real issue.
32bit applications will run with no problem under 64bit OS unless they do some funky stuff they shouldn't. What do you might want to double check if all your hardware drivers are available in 64bit drivers. With new hardware that's rarely an issue. But if you got some older hardware the manufacturers might not have bothered to provide one.

AkaBear · 9 Apr 2009, 05:58

Thanks to all those that assisted.

Ended up settling on something roughly the same for home, but fractionally cheaper and less power but opted for a safe route to avoid conflict with existing software that is not likely to be upgraded anytime soon.

As for the work pc, well might go higher yet. Still working on that one.

Dell XPS 630
Intel Intel Core2 Quad 2.66GHz
4GB DDR2 667MHz RAM
500gb Harddisk 7200rpm
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTx 512MB (avoided the ati card just to be safe for now, the NVIDIA is a fair card for graphics but the home pc is also partly for funn too!)
20.5in monitor

Will try out Vista Ultimate 32bit (but sad to let go of XP pro) although may downgrade later if dissatisfied.

remus · 9 Apr 2009, 07:18

Quite a tidy setup

quick piece of advice with regards to the operating system: i wouldnt bother with vista, if you stick with xp for the moment and then upgrade to windows 7 when it comes out. Its basically a much more polished version of vista and much nicer to use.