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    • AnssiA Offline
      Anssi
      last edited by

      Kwistenbiebel,

      A great comparison. You seem to be a master of all rendering engines-the lighting was very realistic in every one. Only the Kerkythea one seemed to have too much light reflecting from the grass.

      All the similar comparisons I have seen in the past have shown the author to be either biased toward his/her favourite application, or then that he/she has clearly not known how to use some of them. This time this has not bee the case.

      I would like to hear your comments about the usability of the different systems, and how difficult you find the setting up required to get these outstanding results.

      Anssi

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      • david57D Offline
        david57
        last edited by

        Nice dark shadows on the Fry Render. Like this the best. For KT
        i reduce the shadow color value below 0, maybe -0.01, Sometimes.

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        • J Offline
          jasonh1234
          last edited by

          "If you increase the fremtion to 12 or so the THV will auto-adjust the kull weight of the spline. And cut your render time to half of that of what YEQ took."

          There! Now you know how I felt while I was trying to read all that. ๐Ÿ˜†
          I'm sure it will slowly start to make sense to me though.

          Thanks so much for posting the comparison shots. As someone who's just trying to get into rendering it's helpful to see the differences and hear (even approximately) the differences in render times.

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          • N Offline
            nscheiter
            last edited by

            Hey Kwistenbiebel,

            Id be interested in hearing where you got those 3d landscape items from. Are they evermotion too? and the best way you got them into your scene.
            Good work my friend, good work.

            -Neill

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            • A Offline
              andeciuala
              last edited by

              great work, could you share that texture used on grass? please, its amazing.

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              • L Offline
                Loewenkatze
                last edited by

                Kwistenbiebel,

                really impressive work... and a pleasure to see which house you chose for that comparison...

                btw... what happened to the handrail of the balcony in the KT render? Did it get lost due to the ten different export-pieces from SU to KT?

                Cheers,
                Franziska

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                • DanielD Offline
                  Daniel
                  last edited by

                  They look great, although if I had to pick one as my fav it would be the first - it just appears crisper to me. I also noticed the top rail is missing in the Kerky render.

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                  • K Offline
                    kwistenbiebel
                    last edited by

                    Thank you all for the kind remarks.
                    Indeed, I missed the handrail in the Kzrkythea export.
                    The vegetation is partially Evermotion, and partially 3Dwarhouse which I adapted to my taste.

                    I finally got the chance to render the scene with Podium.
                    So this is a little update.

                    PODIUM RENDER 1.5.1

                    http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/kwistenbiebel1/SCHMINKE-HOUSE-SHAROUN-PODIUM-kl-1.jpg

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                    • soloS Offline
                      solo
                      last edited by

                      Thats awesome Biebel, if I was to choose the one I like best I'd probably be jeered off for being biased so I won't mention it. ๐Ÿ’š ๐Ÿ˜’

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                      • D Offline
                        DzineTech
                        last edited by

                        I know what you mean as I'm biased to vray and its the image I like the best, although I would have used IR+LC for the render which I'm sure would yield a better image than the Universal settings. The Podium image is pretty nice though.

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                          ScottPara
                          last edited by

                          Hands down I think the podium render looks the best and has the best overall feel to it.

                          Scott

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                          • FrederikF Offline
                            Frederik
                            last edited by

                            @unknownuser said:

                            Hands down I think the podium render looks the best and has the best overall feel to it.

                            I agree with you on that, Scott...
                            However, when knowing that Kwistenbiebel used the v. 1.5.1, where Kerkythea is the engine behind, you can start wondering why the render made using KT wasn't looking that good... ๐Ÿ˜’
                            Both renders should be very close to identical..! ๐Ÿ˜‰

                            Cheers
                            Kim Frederik

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                            • StinkieS Offline
                              Stinkie
                              last edited by

                              I'm not altogether sure I like what you're implying. Kwisten's always done his best to advocate - be it in writing or by rendering - the qualities of all the rendering apps he uses.

                              Show some courtesy.

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                              • tbdT Offline
                                tbd
                                last edited by

                                ... mainly because Podium is not using the exact same Kerkythea engine as in KT.

                                nice work Biebel !

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                                • FrederikF Offline
                                  Frederik
                                  last edited by

                                  @unknownuser said:

                                  I'm not altogether sure I like what you're implying.

                                  Sorry - but I don't know what or how you're interpreting what I've been writing...
                                  I'm not trying to imply anything here... All I'm saying is that based on the fact that the engine running under the hood of Podium v. 1.5.1 is KT, the result should be fairly identical, but this is not what I've seen in this test... ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                  @unknownuser said:

                                  ... mainly because Podium is not using the exact same Kerkythea engine as in KT.

                                  ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿ˜•
                                  TBD - you know that the core is identical, but maybe the settings are different, which's then showing in the result...
                                  Nevertheless, I said that it should be very close to identical..! ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                  Cheers
                                  Kim Frederik

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                                  • StinkieS Offline
                                    Stinkie
                                    last edited by

                                    Clearly, if I've misinterpreted what you said, then an apology is due. Consider this one.

                                    If.

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                                    • FrederikF Offline
                                      Frederik
                                      last edited by

                                      No worries, Stinkie... ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                      Cheers
                                      Kim Frederik

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                                      • StinkieS Offline
                                        Stinkie
                                        last edited by

                                        Allrighty then. Apologies! ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ’š

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                                        • N Offline
                                          notareal
                                          last edited by

                                          I have to add that it's fairly pointless to made deep conclusions with these kind of comparisons, there always so much differences with render engines - even scenes and camera settings can be different, unintentionally. Passion towards one engine can lead different results. Anyhow, it's always interesting to see what one can do with different render engines. Usually in the end - conclusion is clear - use one that you happy with. โ˜€

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                                            notareal
                                            last edited by

                                            @frederik said:

                                            @unknownuser said:

                                            ... mainly because Podium is not using the exact same Kerkythea engine as in KT.

                                            ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿ˜•
                                            TBD - you know that the core is identical, but maybe the settings are different, which's then showing in the result...
                                            Nevertheless, I said that it should be very close to identical..! ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                            I think difference do come from five different element, missing parts; handrail and 2th floor windows & interior and some missing stone decorations, different grass (or it's mapping), different tone mapping, different image size/ratio and far different render method. Podium uses Photon Mapping, if I have understood right, and with KT Kwistenbiebel used new MLT/BPT, that was not cooked long enough to clear noise. MLT/BPT is actually best suited for difficult indirect lighting conditions, that have hard to produce caustics, blurry reflections... what ever.

                                            Sorry for bad photoshopping, but had to add those missing handrail&window parts and change image size to reveal how great difference those do made. I remove this if needed.

                                            edit: oops... now I see I missed 1st floor handrail too. ๐Ÿ˜ณ


                                            Missing_parts_and_tonemapping.jpg

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