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  • M Offline
    medeek
    last edited by 11 Sept 2024, 07:23

    Tutorial 1 - Extension Overview (19:43 min.)

    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
    Medeek Engineering Inc
    design.medeek.com

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      medeek
      last edited by 12 Sept 2024, 02:25

      Version 0.9.2 - 09.11.2024

      • Enabled a overhang for deck boards.
      • Enabled a global offset for deck boards.
      • Fixed a bug with floor presets.

      floor_su038_800.jpg

      floor_su039_800.jpg

      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
      Medeek Engineering Inc
      design.medeek.com

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        medeek
        last edited by 12 Sept 2024, 22:25

        Version 0.9.3 - 09.12.2024

        • Fixed a critical bug in the Draw Floor menu.
        • Added a status icon (Draw Mode: Polyline or Face) in upper right corner of the Draw Floor menu.
        • Added the Draw Mode parameter to Floors tab of the Global Settings.

        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
        Medeek Engineering Inc
        design.medeek.com

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          medeek
          last edited by 13 Sept 2024, 02:06

          I was thinking about hanger hardware for the joists but then I realized that things are quite a bit more complicated with these polygon floors. For example look at this floor:

          floor_su040_800.jpg

          The situation gets interesting for the first six joists in the array, they would require four hangers each rather than just the normal two. I'm going to have to really put on my thinking cap for this one.

          And then you have the additional complication of non-orthogonal edges which may require special skewed hangers... Fortunately those are probably not as common so I can probably ignore that case for now.

          P.S.

          At first glance I think I can examine each joist individually once they've been trimmed/cut and count the number of edges that run parallel to the joist (x-axis or y-axis). For a regular lumber joist the total number of pieces will be the number of horizontal (long edges) divided by four. That will tell me how many hangers I actually need.

          I can then cycle through this collection of edges finding all of the terminal vertices/locations and assign to each one a direction (left facing or right facing). From there it is simply a matter of running a for loop and placing the hangers. I think this will work but it may not be optimized yet.

          P.P.S

          I also just realized that there is the possibility for some joists to be doubled, which will naturally require a different hanger, so the hanger selection will require two parameters, one for single ply an one for two ply. However, there may be a situation where you want there to be hangers only on one side of the floor (ie. a deck with a ledger and beam supported on the other end) so four parameters for hanger selection:

          1.) Start Hanger (1X Ply)
          2.) Start Hanger (2X Ply)
          3.) End Hanger (1X Ply)
          4.) End Hanger (2X Ply)

          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
          Medeek Engineering Inc
          design.medeek.com

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            medeek
            last edited by 13 Sept 2024, 04:08

            Version 0.9.3b - 09.12.2024

            • Fixed a HTML/Javascript bug in the Draw Floor menu.

            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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              medeek
              last edited by 16 Sept 2024, 19:21

              Version 0.9.4 - 09.16.2024

              • Added joist hangers to the Draw and Edit menus.
              • Added a built-in library of face mount and and top flange hangers.

              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
              Medeek Engineering Inc
              design.medeek.com

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                medeek
                last edited by 16 Sept 2024, 23:40

                Tutorial 2 - Joist Hangers (19:57 min.)

                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                Medeek Engineering Inc
                design.medeek.com

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                  medeek
                  last edited by 19 Sept 2024, 00:47

                  Version 0.9.5 - 09.18.2024

                  • Added a joist direction arrow to the draw floor tool.
                  • Added a "debug mode" parameter to the General tab of the Global Settings.
                  • Fixed a bug with deck board placement.
                  • Fixed a bug with the deck board offset parameter.

                  floor_su054_800.jpg

                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                  design.medeek.com

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                    medeek
                    last edited by 19 Sept 2024, 07:09

                    I have had two requests now for metal bridging or bracing so I took about an hour and modeled up a Simpson TB27 between 2X10 joists @ 16" on center. It actually looks really nice:

                    However some things immediately jumped out at me:

                    1.) I based my TB27 off of the ICF file on Simpson's website so it is dimensionally accurate, however to do that takes quite a bit of time. Modeling like this is fun but very time consuming and one thing I never have enough of is time.

                    2.) This is the TB27 configured for 2X10's on 16" centers, now think of all the other permutations (including I-Joists). To make this look right would require a preconfigured component for each case. The number of permutations is at least 130 or more.

                    3.) If you also consider custom offsets of specific joists then it gets even more crazy.

                    My thinking is that if I do want to enable something like this it will need to be less detailed geometrically (just a basic representation) and drawn on the fly using an algorithm that checks joist depth and spacing. Rather than specify the exact part number (ie. TB20, TB27, TB30 etc...), just specify that it is metal bridging.

                    floor_su055_800.jpg

                    floor_su056_800.jpg

                    floor_su057_800.jpg

                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                    design.medeek.com

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                      gullfo @medeek
                      last edited by 19 Sept 2024, 15:00

                      agreed - i'd say less detail on the components to improve speed and rendering, and just good descriptive text / names instead. one option might be in a "library" view showing a detailed version of a single component so selection purposes, but the generated structure uses the simpliest possible geometry.

                      Glenn

                      http://www.runnel.com

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                        medeek
                        last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 04:35

                        Version 0.9.6 - 09.19.2024

                        • Fixed a bug with metric floor presets.
                        • Fixed a bug with the insulation module.

                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                        design.medeek.com

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                          medeek
                          last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 06:58

                          I am changing up the way in which I do subtractive geometry from the way I've done it with the other plugins in the past.

                          If you enable Subtractive Geometry in the global settings you can use the SUBTRACT keyword to cut holes through everything as per normal. However you will now also have two other options:

                          SUBTRACT_SHEATH: This keyword will only subtract through sheathing, flooring and deck boards.

                          SUBTRACT_GYPSUM: This keyword will only subtract through gypsum

                          I may add others as the need arises or additional requests are made.

                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                          design.medeek.com

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                            medeek
                            last edited by 21 Sept 2024, 21:37

                            Adding in the advanced floor options into the Global Settings:

                            floor_su0floor_su060_800.jpg 59_800.jpg

                            I am working on adding in metal bridging with some associated parameters:

                            floor_su060_800.jpg

                            P.S.
                            I was going to combine the metal bridging with the solid blocking however after some thought I realized there might be cases where you might combine both forms of bracing in one floor (solid blocking and metal bridging). Hence I need a separate module for blocking. Unlike the wall blocking floor blocking may be regular lumber or I-Joist blocking so that further complicates the matter slightly.

                            The parameters for the blocking module will probably be:

                            1.) Blocking Type: Lumber/I-Joist

                            If blocking type is Lumber:

                            Blocking Width: 1.5 in (default)

                            Blocking Material: Lumber / PT Lumber / LSL / PSL / LVL etc...

                            If blocking type is I-Joist

                            Blocking I-Joist Family:

                            Blocking I-Joist Type:

                            other general parameters are:

                            Row Spacing: 96 in. (default)

                            Stagger Blocking: Yes/No

                            Remove Row: empty by default

                            Quite a few more parameters (8) to add into a number of files, this will keep me busy for a couple of days at least.

                            floor_su061_800.jpg

                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                            design.medeek.com

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                              medeek
                              last edited by 23 Sept 2024, 09:50

                              First look at metal bridging (I-joist and Lumber):

                              floor_su069_800.jpg

                              floor_su070_800.jpg

                              Geometrically a lot simpler and more lightweight than the preconfigured component that I made based off of the Simpson IFC model. I'm using my galvanized texture/material but I may change it slightly. There are quite a few parameters that one can adjust to customize the look and feel of these metal bridging straps, hopefully that should make things configurable enough for most power users.

                              As noted per the Simpson literature the crossing straps should not be in direct contact to avoid screeching noises when they move under load. Hence the default 1/8" gap, but this can be modified as can be seen in the menu.

                              I've also included a thickness parameter for the straps. The correct thickness for a 20 gauge strap is probably around 0.035" however I've rounded the default value to an even 0.04".

                              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                              Medeek Engineering Inc
                              design.medeek.com

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                                medeek
                                last edited by 23 Sept 2024, 19:59

                                Version 0.9.7 - 09.23.2024

                                • Updated the SUBTRACT feature with three other options.
                                • Added seven advanced options in the Floor tab of the Global Settings.
                                • Added metal bridging to the Draw and Edit menus.
                                • Added solid blocking (Lumber and I-Joist) to the Draw and Edit menus.
                                • Fixed minor bugs in the HTML menus and preset system.

                                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                Medeek Engineering Inc
                                design.medeek.com

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                                  medeek
                                  last edited by 24 Sept 2024, 08:00

                                  Tutorial 3 - Metal Bridging and Blocking (10:28 min.)

                                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                                  design.medeek.com

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                                    medeek
                                    last edited by 27 Sept 2024, 08:28

                                    Version 0.9.8 - 09.27.2024

                                    • Made the polyline/face icon (draw mode) in the draw menu clickable.
                                    • Added a joist direction toggle button/icon to the draw and edit menus.
                                    • Added a stagger joist option to the Draw and Edit menus.
                                    • Updated the insulation, blocking, metal bridging and hanger modules to accommodate staggered joists.

                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                                    design.medeek.com

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                                      medeek
                                      last edited by 27 Sept 2024, 19:15

                                      So yes, staggered joist present a few issues. For example if the blocking doesn't land in the lapped region of the joist layout you end up with this:

                                      floor_su081_800.jpg

                                      Right at the moment I'm not sure how to address this or actually determine when the blocking lands in the non-lapped sections of the layout. The easy way out would be to do a boolean subtraction using the joists themselves, but then I would need to separate the resulting (multi-body) group into a bunch of groups/solids, this one is a bit of headache.

                                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                                      design.medeek.com

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                                        medeek
                                        last edited by 28 Sept 2024, 06:17

                                        With staggered joists I am tracking how many rows of joists I need, the joist length and lapped length, so given that information (three variables) I can then run a quick check on each blocking row to see how it pencils out. This little block of code does the trick:

                                        if @Spanno < 2
                                        			stoffset = 'NEG'
                                        		else
                                        			lapcount = 1
                                        			for lapi in @Stjarray
                                        				if (distx > lapi[0]) && (distx < lapi[1])
                                        					stoffset = 'LAP'
                                        					break
                                        				elsif distx < lapi[0]
                                        					if lapcount.odd?
                                        						stoffset = 'NEG'
                                        					else
                                        						stoffset = 'POS'
                                        					end
                                        					break
                                        				elsif (distx > lapi[1]) && (lapcount == (@Spanno - 1))
                                        					if lapcount.odd?
                                        						stoffset = 'POS'
                                        					else
                                        						stoffset = 'NEG'
                                        					end
                                        					break
                                        				end
                                        
                                        				lapcount = lapcount + 1
                                        			end
                                        				
                                        		end
                                        

                                        As one can see there are really only three possibilities for the blocking: Lapped, Positive or Negative.

                                        The end result is this:

                                        floor_su082_800.jpg
                                        Problem solved. Now I just need to apply this same logic to the metal bracing and implement it. Insulation is somewhat different so I still don’t have a good solution for that one just yet.

                                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                                        design.medeek.com

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                                          medeek
                                          last edited by 28 Sept 2024, 10:33

                                          After another three hours of some productive thought and hacking away at some rather large blocks of code (and a few choice words) I managed to pull together a fairly efficient and robust algorithm for the cavity insulation between those irregular joists.

                                          Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you “Batt Insulation with Staggered Joists”:

                                          floor_su086_800.jpg

                                          floor_su087_800.jpg

                                          I’m exhausted, tomorrow I might take a small break.

                                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                                          design.medeek.com

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