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  • M Offline
    medeek
    last edited by 29 Oct 2019, 08:48

    First look at two intersecting complex roof assemblies:

    truss_su590_800.jpg

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    As I've worked my way through the logic of intersecting roof assemblies this evening it has become clear to me that the concept of primary and secondary roofs really does not exist. In actuality intersecting roofs is the more correct terminology. If a roof assembly intersects another roof assembly, each will need to have its geometry modified by the presence of the other assembly's roof primitive. Each assembly will store the other assembly's name in its attribute library (database) as a connecting object.

    The tricky part of this will be the rafter framing, where a simple boolean subtraction of the opposing roof primitive from the rafters will not work. I will need to ponder on this some more, I think the solution will probably reveal itself but currently I don't see a clear path on this one.

    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
    Medeek Engineering Inc
    design.medeek.com

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    • M Offline
      medeek
      last edited by 31 Oct 2019, 06:27

      Version 2.6.0 - 10.30.2019

      • Added the terminal roof plane option for complex roofs.
      • Added the "Complex Roof Connection" tool to the complex roof toolbar.
      • Enabled Roof Connections for complex roofs: roof assemblies or solid groups.
      • Added the "Remove Roof Connection" feature to the edit menu for complex roofs.

      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/complex_su_menu_active.jpg

      http://design.medeek.com/resources/trussplugin/images/truss_su591_800.jpg

      Tomorrow I will put out a tutorial video explaining the terminal roof plane option and the setting up and dismantling of roof/roof and roof/solid connections.

      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
      Medeek Engineering Inc
      design.medeek.com

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      • M Offline
        medeek
        last edited by 31 Oct 2019, 15:02

        Now that I’ve got the roof connection functionality up and running it is time to turn my attention to the actual roof framing. This is where the real headaches begin.

        I think I will start with trying to figure out an efficient algorithm for the ridge boards.

        Most orthogonal roofs are fairly straight forward:

        Capture.JPG

        If a ridge meets another ridge then it will receive a miter cut to match with that other ridge.

        If the ridge terminates into two hip rafters then it will be a square cut.

        The question I have is what to do when the hip terminates into a flying hip and valley?

        Then of course there are the exceptions caused by half hips, dutch gables, gables and terminals but those can be accounted for.

        As I’ve previously stated it makes sense to first catolog each edge of the roof primitive and create a hash for easy lookups. The process of elimination should allow me to assemble the catalog relatively easily.

        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
        Medeek Engineering Inc
        design.medeek.com

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        • M Offline
          medeek
          last edited by 31 Oct 2019, 15:40

          The new connection tool allows you to do this sort of thing:

          truss_su592_800.jpg

          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
          Medeek Engineering Inc
          design.medeek.com

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            medeek
            last edited by 1 Nov 2019, 00:43

            Tutorial 17: Complex Roof Connections (19:05 min.)

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            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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              medeek
              last edited by 2 Nov 2019, 00:21

              The Medeek Halloween Haunted House:

              truss_su593_800.jpg

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              Another test of the roof connection feature with chimney and turrets.

              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
              Medeek Engineering Inc
              design.medeek.com

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              • M Offline
                medeek
                last edited by 3 Nov 2019, 19:57

                First look at ridge boards with complex roofs:

                truss_su594_800.jpg

                Things get a little messy when a ridge terminates into more than two hips or flying hips (ie. octagon and hexogon roofs), I will need to add in additional logic to handle these types of situation.

                The potential asymmetry of the roof planes also creates some interesting possibilities, however I do think I've solved that topological problem.

                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                Medeek Engineering Inc
                design.medeek.com

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                • M Offline
                  medeek
                  last edited by 7 Nov 2019, 09:19

                  Version 2.6.1 - 11.07.2019

                  • Added ridge boards for complex roofs.

                  The next framing item is hip and valley rafters.

                  truss_su595_800.jpg

                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                  design.medeek.com

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                  • M Offline
                    medeek
                    last edited by 16 Nov 2019, 09:50

                    First look at interior half hips:

                    truss_su597_800.jpg

                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                    design.medeek.com

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                      medeek
                      last edited by 18 Nov 2019, 06:49

                      Version 2.6.2 - 11.17.2019

                      • Allowed the option for interior half hips within complex roofs.

                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/trussplugin/images/truss_su598_800.jpg

                      The logic for interior half hips proved to be rather complicated. This additional feature affected every aspect of the module so it took me about 7 days to make it happen. However, in the process I think I also made the module more robust and addressed some other minor issues. Eventually I will also need to enable interior dutch gables but right now I'm too exhausted mentally to attempt it. Currently only gables and half hips are able to pile up on each other as shown.

                      Also note that you can mix things up with interior gables and half hips. For instance you could have a half hip on gable on half hip or any other combination.

                      Now, let's see if I can make anymore head way on valleys, hips and rafters...

                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                      design.medeek.com

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                        medeek
                        last edited by 3 Dec 2019, 06:21

                        Version 2.6.3 - 12.02.2019

                        • Fixed multiple bugs in the complex roof module as related to metric templates.

                        After a bit of a Thanksgiving break I'm back on the complex roof module. There is still a considerable amount of work to do with the framing of the roof, some of the details I am still sorting out, in particular a very efficient rafter framing algorithm. I'm hoping to wrap this all up in the next couple of weeks and then jump over to the new Medeek Floor extension which will replace the floor truss/I-Joist module of the Truss plugin.

                        The new floor extension will allow for complex floors with the ability to alter the outline of floor similar to the complex roof.

                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                        design.medeek.com

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                          medeek
                          last edited by 3 Dec 2019, 06:45

                          I always get a lot of questions about what features are available within the truss plugin.

                          Many of these questions can be answered with a quick search of the changelog:

                          Medeek Design Inc. - Medeek Truss Plugin Changelog

                          Medeek Design Inc. - Medeek Truss Plugin Changelog

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                          Just a reminder that the changelog lists every new feature, modification or correction to the plugin since its inception (Oct. 2015 - Present).

                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                          design.medeek.com

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                            medeek
                            last edited by 16 Dec 2019, 09:27

                            First look at ridge caps for a complex roof:

                            truss_su605_800.jpg

                            There is still quite a bit of work to do on this feature/module, but at least I have a game plan in place now and I think I can make it happen.

                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                            design.medeek.com

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                              medeek
                              last edited by 16 Dec 2019, 23:53

                              Version 2.6.4 - 12.16.2019

                              • Exposed the roof soffit layer name in Layers tab of the global settings.
                              • Fixed multiple bugs in the gambrel attic truss module.

                              http://design.medeek.com/resources/trussplugin/images/truss_su606_800.jpg

                              If you are using gambrel attic trusses this is a critical update/fix. This addresses the following two bugs:

                              • Error when metal plates was turned off in the global settings.
                              • Non-initialization of the roof cladding material name.

                              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                              Medeek Engineering Inc
                              design.medeek.com

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                                medeek
                                last edited by 19 Dec 2019, 05:57

                                Version 2.6.5 - 12.18.2019

                                • Enabled an "orthogonal mode" for the complex roof draw menu.
                                • Added the ability to delete points in the complex roof draw menu.

                                Clicking the "Ctrl" key will enforce orthogonal mode while using the draw tool. Currently the orthogonal mode will restrict the user to 45 deg. increments.

                                While selecting the points for a roof outline the user may accidentally select an incorrect point. By clicking the left arrow key the user can delete the previously selected point (or multiple points). I will probably also incorporate this same feature within the draw menus of the foundation and upcoming floor plugin.

                                Both of these improvements are a result of plugin usability discussions with Larry Belk.

                                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                Medeek Engineering Inc
                                design.medeek.com

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                                • topic:timeago-later,12 days
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                                  medeek
                                  last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 08:56

                                  As we begin a new decade the number of licensed users of the Truss plugin is currently at 1,200. The plugin is now just over 4 years old, it will be interesting to see what we can do with it and the other plugins of the mdkBIM suite in this coming year.

                                  truss_su611_800.jpg

                                  I am looking forward to completing the complex roof module as well as bringing the truss side of the house up to par with the rafter side within this module.

                                  Beyond that, it is the new floor plugin and project plugin as well as completing some key items with the wall plugin.

                                  Wishing everyone a happy and prosperous New Year.

                                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                                  design.medeek.com

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                                    medeek
                                    last edited by 6 Jan 2020, 20:36

                                    A study of intersecting roof planes and trusses:

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                                    I didn't spend any time trimming truss tails or worrying about the sheathing or cladding, I was mostly interested in the truss layout and roof planes.

                                    Note that I created the tertiary roof plane in order to then draw a solid (temp rafter) which I then used as the primary roof plane for the second valley set (45 degree).

                                    I've colored all of the temp geometry transparently so you can dissect the model a little easier.

                                    I'm not entirely sure if this is how a truss manufacturer would actually handle this type of situation, but this is my best guess.

                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                                    design.medeek.com

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                                      juju
                                      last edited by 12 Jan 2020, 12:42

                                      I fired up a different truss type that I have not used before - attic truss. I work in metric (mm) but the attic truss is only imperial (ft / in). Roof pitch I work in is degrees, but am facing 1/12 ratio in imperial? Did I miss a setting somewhere?

                                      How many of the other trusses / subsections are not homogeneous to each other? Can all the section / subsections be brought onto par with each other?

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                                        medeek
                                        last edited by 13 Jan 2020, 06:57

                                        There are still a few truss types that do not have all of the advanced options available to them. To the best of my knowledge only the attic truss still does not have a metric interface when using a metric template in SketchUp, I will work on this.

                                        To check which features have been added to each truss type, do a browser search here:

                                        Medeek Design Inc. - Medeek Truss Plugin Changelog

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                                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                                        design.medeek.com

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                                          medeek
                                          last edited by 30 Jan 2020, 05:03

                                          Version 2.6.6 - 01.29.2020

                                          • Fixed a bug in the (complex roofs) roof plane edit menu for the outlooker size parameter.
                                          • Fixed a bug involving truss assemblies and valley set assemblies that are created in the same SketchUp session.

                                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                                          design.medeek.com

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