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    • medeekM Offline
      medeek
      last edited by

      With the inset joists I thought it would be really cool to have the plugin be able to auto-select the correct joist hanger and insert it at both ends of the I-joist or sawn lumber. I quickly modeled up a simplified version of an IUS1.81/11.88 Simpson Face-Mount I-Joist hanger and with the addition of one simple function I was able to do this:

      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su283_800.jpg

      View model here:

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      3D Warehouse

      3D Warehouse is a website of searchable, pre-made 3D models that works seamlessly with SketchUp.

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      I haven't yet released this most recent addition because I only have two sizes of hangers created so far. There are five typical flange widths and the following typical I-joists depths: 9.5, 11.875, 14, and 16. So if you do the math I need to model 20 different face mount I-Joist hangers and 20 top flange I-joist hangers (IUS and ITS series). For sawn lumber a similar situation exists for 2x6, 2x8, 2x10 and 2x12 joists.

      I was considering using the official Simpson models from the 3D Warehouse but they are too complex, a minimalistic hanger gets the point across just as well.

      When I get home from work I usually only have a couple hours to hammer away at things so some more low hanging fruit gets picked.

      I just realized that I have no idea what I-joist and hanger (metric) sizes exist for the UK and Australian markets, can someone point me in the right direction for some literature.

      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
      Medeek Engineering Inc
      design.medeek.com

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      • facerF Offline
        facer
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        Medeek,
        You may get some ideas by checking out:
        http://www.tilling.com.au/framesmart

        They also have a free program called "Smartframe" that is
        part of their marketing strategy to professional.

        TIMBER SIZES - METRIC - AUSTRALIA
        https://www.tilling.com.au/product-type/smartframe/


        tilling smartframe sizes.JPG

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        • medeekM Offline
          medeek
          last edited by

          The IUS hanger family:

          Link Preview Image
          3D Warehouse

          3D Warehouse is a website of searchable, pre-made 3D models that works seamlessly with SketchUp.

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          (3dwarehouse.sketchup.com)

          I was going to release the latest version but the SketchUp signing page is down again.

          p.s. And now it up, 2.0.2c has the hanger update with all twenty (20) IUS hangers for I-Joists ranging from 9.5 to 16 inches deep.

          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
          Medeek Engineering Inc
          design.medeek.com

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          • medeekM Offline
            medeek
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            After giving it much thought I've decided that selling my plugins would be a bad idea. They've literally become a part of me, who I am and what I do. To part with them would leave a hole, so in the end this becomes an emotional decision for me rather than one that is solely based on monetary gain.

            The Medeek plugins will continue as they are for the foreseeable future.

            I've also noticed sales of the plugin has completely dried up over the last two weeks, I don't know if this because I was considering the sale of my plugin or if is indicating a saturation point. It does make me wonder if lowering the plugin price even further would drive a larger volume of users.

            Lets say for example I lowered the price to $10.00, would I then expect a double or triple increase in sales? When I look at the number people who have actually installed the plugin it is well over 10,000 now, and I only started keeping track about a year ago, so the number could easily be double that. If the price was lower ($10.00) could I get at least 10% of the installed base to upgrade to a registered version, if so this type of marketing makes sense.

            But then again perhaps I have hit an actual saturation point, where "real" users have all been potentially exposed to the plugin and everyone else is just testing it out but never will purchase it for serious use.

            Ultimately, I am just trying to find a way to monetize my efforts more and somehow enable myself to spend even more time developing this plugin and all of others I've started cooking up.

            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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            • jujuJ Offline
              juju
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              Can one switch off those logos? It is of little use to the rest of the world (or other areas where the brands are not represented).

              Save the Earth, it's the only planet with chocolate.

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              • G Offline
                glro
                last edited by

                @medeek said:

                ...
                But then again perhaps I have hit an actual saturation point, where "real" users have all been potentially exposed to the plugin and everyone else is just testing it out but never will purchase it for serious use.

                Ultimately, I am just trying to find a way to monetize my efforts more and somehow enable myself to spend even more time developing this plugin and all of others I've started cooking up.

                10 000 downloads is a lot! but your extension is a very specific and professional one; so, what percentage of the 10 000 downloads correspond to professional users?

                my understanding is that you are confused between a hobby and a professional use

                i doubt lowering the price of your extension would change anything; because it is not an extension for a hobb

                my guess is you rather need a partner, to help you with the marketting, so you can reach only the professional users, and get real income from your work.

                The logo you recently added on the beams might be an opportunity to contact the manufacturers; maybe they would be interested in paying you to work on there product.

                because technical tools help to sell products also

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                • medeekM Offline
                  medeek
                  last edited by

                  @juju said:

                  Can one switch off those logos? It is of little use to the rest of the world (or other areas where the brands are not represented).

                  Valid point. I will add an option in the global settings to toggle on/off all branding (logos). Even if it is applicable some users may not want to display the logos, I need to give them that option.

                  2.0.3 will have that option added in as well as the rest of the ITS series of hangers.

                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                  design.medeek.com

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                  • medeekM Offline
                    medeek
                    last edited by

                    Top flange hangers without a ledger, just a sill plate:

                    http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su284_800.jpg

                    This is a Simpson ITS1.81/9.5, this is the equivalent to the the IUS series but in top flange configuration. Again there are 20 different configurations for this hanger type.

                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                    design.medeek.com

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                    • medeekM Offline
                      medeek
                      last edited by

                      @glro said:

                      @medeek said:

                      ...
                      But then again perhaps I have hit an actual saturation point, where "real" users have all been potentially exposed to the plugin and everyone else is just testing it out but never will purchase it for serious use.

                      Ultimately, I am just trying to find a way to monetize my efforts more and somehow enable myself to spend even more time developing this plugin and all of others I've started cooking up.

                      10 000 downloads is a lot! but your extension is a very specific and professional one; so, what percentage of the 10 000 downloads correspond to professional users?

                      my understanding is that you are confused between a hobby and a professional use

                      i doubt lowering the price of your extension would change anything; because it is not an extension for a hobb

                      my guess is you rather need a partner, to help you with the marketing, so you can reach only the professional users, and get real income from your work.

                      The logo you recently added on the beams might be an opportunity to contact the manufacturers; maybe they would be interested in paying you to work on there product.

                      because technical tools help to sell products also

                      I guess that is my question, if I where to lower the price to make it feasible for the "DIY'er, Hobbyist etc..." would they jump on board. I realize that the professional market of SketchUp designers and architects is somewhat limited. The number of non-professional users far outweigh the professional, partly due to SketchUp Make being free and also because the learning curve of SketchUp is so much better than competing products.

                      Would the casual user be willing to pay $5-$10 for a plugin that could help with their one off project?

                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                      design.medeek.com

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                      • D Offline
                        dpaul
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                        I do not believe the solution can ever be to lower the price of your plugin to attract MAKE users.
                        You are in the process of crafting a remarkable professional plugin, and to my mind, you have to stay the course with that group of purchasers and users.

                        An observation from my little perch: purchasers are not drying up, they are WAITING. They are waiting for the plugin (floors, trusses and the WALL plugin as combined...!!!) to mature for daily professional use.

                        Your own notes clearly tell us what we already know about the present limitations and how much more coding is required:
                        @unknownuser said:

                        The plugin as a whole has quite of bit of functionality but it also is very limited in many respects. This really jumps out at me when I try to model up some recent homes that I did structural work on a few months ago. The biggest issues seem to be:

                        • Inability to cut holes in floors or create polygon floor outlines.
                        • The same issue with roofs in that the plugin is only really good at rectangular roof outlines. The straight skeleton implementation will address this, at least for rafter roofs initially, truss roofs will be a much bigger problem.
                        • There is no function for editing a roof or floor assembly, it's fire and forget. This feature would be particularly useful when you botched one parameter and just need to go back and edit something minor rather than recreating the entire assembly (not that this is too difficult).
                        • I'm missing a good staircase creator/editor.
                        • Not all of the truss types are up to speed with all the recent advanced options, so much to do.
                        • The manual is almost non-existent.

                        The list of limitations goes on. The plugin has potential but its certainly a work in progress and far from the polished gemstone it needs to be.

                        In truth, it is almost as if you have no choice but to go 'underground', complete all of the coding required (as per the essential list above), only coming back out to the marketplace when you have a robust finished product in hand. From there, us professional users, aware of what we already see (and further imagine) could be a world-class addition to Sketchup, will willingly support your marketing efforts.

                        I am encouraged to read you are not selling the code, but will continue, regardless. You show an entrepreneurs' courage. For this alone, I wish you ever possible success.

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                        • medeekM Offline
                          medeek
                          last edited by

                          The plugin is targeted at the professional designer. The complexity and level of detail it affords is the primary reason some designers find it useful. However, this level of detail does not automatically preclude it from being used by the casual user. Typically one can leave most of the setting at their default values and use the plugin with little to no effort and special building knowledge. A completed manual would of course help with the learning curve.

                          The casual user base would subsidize the more intense development and ultimately the end product that the design professionals can take advantage of.

                          Its really just a numbers game, if the volume is there then the price can decrease. In the end my development costs are the same whether I have 400 users or 4,000 users. To develop this full time for a couple years is going to cost between $80,000 to $100,000 at an average of $45,000 per year. I figure I'm going to need at least two more years of full time development to make this thing into something fairly substantial.

                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                          design.medeek.com

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                          • medeekM Offline
                            medeek
                            last edited by

                            Price dropped to $15.00 for a new license and $10.00 for a renewal.

                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                            design.medeek.com

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                            • medeekM Offline
                              medeek
                              last edited by

                              Version 2.0.3 - 10.13.2017

                              • Added the option to provide a face mount hanger for inset floor joists with ledgers.
                              • Added the option to provide a top flange hanger for inset floor joists without ledgers.
                              • Added an option in the global settings to enable or disable manufacturer's logos.

                              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                              Medeek Engineering Inc
                              design.medeek.com

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                              • medeekM Offline
                                medeek
                                last edited by

                                The ITS hanger family:

                                Link Preview Image
                                3D Warehouse

                                3D Warehouse is a website of searchable, pre-made 3D models that works seamlessly with SketchUp.

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                                (3dwarehouse.sketchup.com)

                                The following hangers are included:

                                ITS1.81/9.5
                                ITS1.81/11.88
                                ITS1.81/14
                                ITS1.81/16

                                ITS2.06/9.5
                                ITS2.06/11.88
                                ITS2.06/14
                                ITS2.06/16

                                ITS2.37/9.5
                                ITS2.37/11.88
                                ITS2.37/14
                                ITS2.37/16

                                ITS2.56/9.5
                                ITS2.56/11.88
                                ITS2.56/14
                                ITS2.56/16

                                ITS3.56/9.5
                                ITS3.56/11.88
                                ITS3.56/14
                                ITS3.56/16

                                And now part of the truss plugin.

                                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                Medeek Engineering Inc
                                design.medeek.com

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                                • medeekM Offline
                                  medeek
                                  last edited by

                                  Version 2.0.3b- 10.14.2017

                                  • Face mount hangers added for solid sawn floor joists.

                                  http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su285_800.jpg

                                  http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su286_800.jpg

                                  LUS24
                                  LUS26
                                  LUS28
                                  LUS210 (this hanger used by both 2x10 and 2x12 joists)

                                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                                  design.medeek.com

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                                  • medeekM Offline
                                    medeek
                                    last edited by

                                    Version 2.0.3c- 10.14.2017

                                    • Added Red Built Red-I™ I-joists: 45, 65, 90, 90H, 90HS.

                                    http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su287_800.jpg

                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                                    design.medeek.com

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                                    • medeekM Offline
                                      medeek
                                      last edited by

                                      Version 2.0.3d - 2017.10.15

                                      • Added PinkWood SAFEjoists™ I-joists: PKI 10, PKI 20, PKI 23, PKI 35Plus, PKI 40, PKI 50.

                                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su288_800.jpg

                                      This I-joist manufacturer has a pink protective coating on the ends. The purpose of the end coating is to protect the joist against moisture penetration.

                                      In addition, PinkWood offers Class A and Class B Fire Rated joists often referred to as "SAFEJoists". These joists are protected with an intumescent Fire Rated Coating, and have tan colored coating on the web.

                                      Manufactured in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

                                      Now that I've got things configured correctly it is quite easy for me to add in new manufacturers and their entire series of I-joists. If you are interested in seeing a particular brand added to the plugin please feel free to contact me.

                                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                                      design.medeek.com

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                                      • medeekM Offline
                                        medeek
                                        last edited by

                                        http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su289_800.jpg

                                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                                        design.medeek.com

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                                        • pbacotP Offline
                                          pbacot
                                          last edited by

                                          Thanks for the note on those trusses. Always looking for reasonable 1 hr. 2 hr. assemblies.

                                          MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                                          • medeekM Offline
                                            medeek
                                            last edited by

                                            I drop the price and sales decrease rather than increase, this just doesn't make any sense.

                                            Some sort of reverse psychology I guess.

                                            p.s. I moved the price up slightly to $20.00 and $15.00 for the renewal and sales are picking up again.

                                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                                            design.medeek.com

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