3D Truss Models

medeek · 22 Jan 2017, 16:16

OSB or Plywood will now be an option for the floor sheathing:

The new sheathing tab in the global settings:

As time goes on I will probably add in more options for wall cladding and interior wall cladding (ie. gypsum) as well as the ceiling logic I discussed in a previous post.

I'm now working on the gable end wall sheathing option and the roof cladding option.

There are also two new options in the "General" tab which allow one to toggle the default setting for gable end trusses and advanced options (roof, floor etc...).

medeek · 22 Jan 2017, 21:46

Version 1.8.0- 01.22.2017

Enabled roof cladding for common trusses.
Added nine "IKO Cambridge" architectural shingle colors into the roof cladding material library.
Added "plywood" material for roof and floor sheathing.
Added a "Sheathing" tab into the global settings.
Added entries in the "General" tab of the global settings to toggle default settings for gable end trusses and advanced options.

View model here:

3D Warehouse

3D Warehouse is a website of searchable, pre-made 3D models that works seamlessly with SketchUp.

(3dwarehouse.sketchup.com)

Initially I was just going to texture the exterior face of the sheathing for the roof cladding but then I realized that there may be cases where there is roof cladding but not sheathing or vice versa. In the end I went with a separate layer, material and extrusion for the roof cladding, this allows one to get more granular with the structure and in my mind closer to reality.

medeek · 23 Jan 2017, 00:58

Trying to find a good wood shake or shingle roof texture, this one is pretty good except for a bit of banding:

Slipped in a wood shingle roof texture and a few metal ones in to Version 1.8.0.

I set the exposure of the wood shingles at 5-1/2", however it does look a little small to me, maybe 7-1/4" would be better?

medeek · 23 Jan 2017, 05:41

When you first install the plugin the layers, materials and connector plates are disabled or turned off by default, maybe it would be better that they all be turned on. Either way all of these items can now be customized in the global settings.

medeek · 24 Jan 2017, 13:24

I am wondering why SketchUp doesn't automatically ship with more high quality textures? This seems like a no-brainer.

juju · 24 Jan 2017, 14:20

@medeek said:

I am wondering why SketchUp doesn't automatically ship with more high quality textures? This seems like a no-brainer.

Yup, you know it. I recently experienced a situation where people are starting to create rendering engine textures using 4K and higher images, this was over at Indigo Renderer. Crazy stuff but probably in the not-so-distant future normal.

medeek · 24 Jan 2017, 15:07

And even if the quality is not so great a few more textures (built in) would be nice. I'm just surprised that there is not more built in textures for roof and siding materials. There should be at least 50-100 such textures (roof and siding specific) built in with SketchUp, or so I would think. This sort of thing could only help SketchUp's marketshare and adoption by serious architects and designers.

juju · 25 Jan 2017, 05:53

Yes, more (and better) out-of-the-box textures will be great. However once "serious" professionals start using this for more than just conceptual study modeling, they generally get professional texture packs or collect / make their own.

medeek · 26 Jan 2017, 03:36

Thinking about sheathing and cladding advanced option for the valley truss set. Typically the valley truss set is placed on top of the main roof sheathing:

View model here:

3D Warehouse

3D Warehouse is a website of searchable, pre-made 3D models that works seamlessly with SketchUp.

(3dwarehouse.sketchup.com)

If I create the sheathing and cladding just right then it will be easy for the user to manually trim the secondary roof sheathing and cladding with my trim tool and then optionally union them up with the built in Union tool. I may need to make a video showing exactly how to perform this task.

medeek · 28 Jan 2017, 20:36

The valley truss set now has sheathing and cladding added as an option. You still have to manually trim the secondary roof's sheathing and cladding and then union it to the valley set's but with the trim tool this is very simple to do:

View model here:

3D Warehouse

3D Warehouse is a website of searchable, pre-made 3D models that works seamlessly with SketchUp.

(3dwarehouse.sketchup.com)

medeek · 28 Jan 2017, 21:55

medeek · 29 Jan 2017, 02:10

Call me crazy but I want to build something like this on my 10 acres so I can see all the way to the beach.

Given my wind speed (155mph ult.) and seismic zone (D2) I am probably looking at some serious holdowns at the first level (HDU 11). I would have to run the numbers but it would probably work. I would probably also sheath it with 5/8" plywood inside and out for some serious shearwall action, at least on the the first two floors. I would probably also frame the first two floor with DF No.2 2x8 studs or 2x6 studs at 12" o/c. I'm thinking spiral staircases between levels to save as much floor space as possible and to make it more interesting. Minimal windows on the first three levels and then the top level would have a lot of windows for the view. 11-7/8 TJI 210 for the floors with 3/4 sheathing T&G, 16" o/c.

The structure is 16'x16' with grade to top plate height of 38'8".

The roof is 6:12 pyramid hip with 2x8 rafters, I may go with a steeper pitch though.

On a structure like this overturning is a serious threat, I would need to check the dead weight of the structure and see if the seismic or wind forces could potentially lift the foundation right out of the ground. The solution is to increase the dead weight of the structure especially at the base, by upsizing the footing and stemwall. You will notice my stemwall is 10" thick, 36" deep and a 24"x12" footing, even this may not be enough.

Anyone design something goofy like this before. I don't know if my county building dept. would give it an approval though even if its engineered (stamped).

medeek · 29 Jan 2017, 23:03

Since I have now have roof cladding enabled I figured it only made sense to have some sort of wall cladding enabled for the gable end walls:

The advanced options now allow one to specify wall cladding, the settings can be adjusted in the "sheathing" tab of the global settings. I currently only have 4 different colors of Hardiplank Siding but I will add more as requested and I can find textures that I like or create. It should also be noted that it isn't too hard to swap out the texture for the user's custom textures.

I'm also thinking about adding an option for an air gap between the wall sheathing and the wall cladding in the case that someone wants to use brick as their cladding option. For standard veneer brick in the US the air gap is usually 1" if my recollection is correct.

I will try to roll these latest additions into a new revision here shortly.

medeek · 30 Jan 2017, 00:02

Version 1.8.1 - 01.29.2017

Enabled gable wall cladding for common trusses.
Added four "HARDIPLANK Cedarmill" siding colors into the wall cladding material library.
Enabled sheathing and cladding for valley truss sets.

medeek · 30 Jan 2017, 14:53

Here is a simple structure created with the Truss and Foundation Plugins along with Housebuilder:

I like Housebuilder but I really feel like I need to develop my own Wall Plugin since it will tie in better with my Truss Plugin and allow the user to create the different sheathing and cladding options on the same layers.

Creation of the foundation and roof both took less than 30 seconds to create. The walls, windows and doors did require manual editing. I also realized that it would be useful to allow the option for wrapping the floor framing in wall sheathing and cladding so that this can be unioned with the appropriate sheathing and cladding on the walls above. I will add this into the Todo list.

medeek · 31 Jan 2017, 15:53

So far I have not really had the opportunity to use my own plugin on a real job, other than some minor conceptual structural models.

Last night I had the opportunity to model a garage/office as part of a real world study for a building design.

This further re-emphasized how much I need to put together my own Wall Plugin, something I might seriously wade into this weekend.

View model here:

3D Warehouse

3D Warehouse is a website of searchable, pre-made 3D models that works seamlessly with SketchUp.

(3dwarehouse.sketchup.com)

Its 25Mb because of the vehicles I inserted from the 3D Warehouse, it would be nice to have more lightweight test vehicles to use as space fillers and sizers, does anyone have any suggestions?

facer · 1 Feb 2017, 08:31

Medeek,
Plugin in is coming along!
Is polygon slabs available?

Thanks for your dedication to a unique plugin.

medeek · 1 Feb 2017, 15:32

The 18.5' highbay/garage only needs to be 16' in height and the 2nd floor of the office space needs 9 ft ceilings:

3D Warehouse

3D Warehouse is a website of searchable, pre-made 3D models that works seamlessly with SketchUp.

(3dwarehouse.sketchup.com)

Note the valley truss set, and how I was able to easily tie these two roofs together. For simple roof lines I'm pretty happy with what the plugin can do.

medeek · 2 Feb 2017, 03:40

When combining different roofs on complex structures I often find myself having to delete the outlookers, overhang and gable end truss on one end of the roof assembly. Then today I had a request from a user to enable the ability to limit the gable geometry to only one end. Based on this I will try to set up another option for the gable end truss option which allows for only the creation of one side with the gable end geometry. This means I will have to rework some of the advanced options to make sure it is compatible but I think I can make it happen fairly quickly.

db11 · 2 Feb 2017, 20:31

I've just downloaded the trial version and started playing with it. I've been following the development process all along, and I'm impressed with what you've accomplished.

A couple of questions:

Is there a specific reason why you've chosen to generate geometry as groups and not components?

It would seem to me — especially on complex models — that it would have a significant effect on file size. But more importantly, any manual changes required would propagate to all instances.

Do you have a timeline on when Gable walls will be enabled for attic trusses?
Would it be difficult to enable an option for floor/open joist truss as the bottom chord on attic trusses?

It would form a sort of attic bent that can extend the open span width — without having to place a support beam below. (we're looking at this option for our current project).

Any thoughts of coding eyebrow dormers? I realize that combination of coding complexity and rare demand for this style probably places it low on the priority list, if not off it entirely... but never hurts to ask!

I'm also really looking forward to your proposed framing plugin and seeing it develop as well. The design/build firm that I do most of my work for specializes in Passive House construction, so we would have different requirements for wall assembly types from most. If you're interested, I would be happy to provide our requirements / input on sample wall assemblies.

Thanks for all your effort in building a very comprehensive and useful tool.

Doug