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    newnoob
    last edited by 6 Jan 2017, 22:37

    Hi sketchucation I have a problem.

    When I perform a solid tool operation (like trim) of one solid component against an other solid component I would expect that the operation affects all other components of the same instances in the model the same way. But in my modell it doesn't it only affects the two componets on which I perform the solid tool operation. Why is that so? I want all components to be affected.

    ...I'm relatively new to components and have been mostly working with groups so far.

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      Dave R
      last edited by 6 Jan 2017, 23:00

      What you are seeing is normal behavior although I wish it wasn't. The component that gets modified by the Solid Tool operation becomes a group called 'Difference.' I've asked for them to change this since the release of the Solid Tools in V8 but you can see how much good that did.

      On the bright side, Jim wrote Trim and Keep which is available in the Sketchucation Extension Store and Julia Eneroth wrote an extension that covers the solid tools, too. You can get hers from the Extension Warehouse. For my use, Trim and Keep does the job and I prefer how it works. I use it so frequently, it gets its own keyboard shortcut.

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        pbacot
        last edited by 6 Jan 2017, 23:35

        Thanks for the heads up on the plugins Dave!

        If you have a bunch of component instances. edit the component, make a group, then perform the solid tools function.

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          Dave R
          last edited by 6 Jan 2017, 23:41

          I don't understand Peter.

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            newnoob
            last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 00:32

            I also don't understand Peter. πŸ˜„

            I had a little workaround going which was to create a nested component containing component A and B by copying component A into B, then to transform the former content of component A while in A into a seperate component to end up with a nested component of A and B and then to perform the solid operation and afterwards explode the nested component. This way all instances of the components are affected by the solid operation. However it did only work so far for some of my components because of impractical axis of some of my components.

            Thanks Dave your post was very enlightening! The next thing I am going to do after this post (after I have had a look in my fridge) is to install your recommended Trim and Keep extension.

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              pbacot
              last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 01:10

              That's what I meant. I didn't add the detail of bringing in the cutting component and all.

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                Dave R
                last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 01:14

                Good luck in the fridge.

                FWIW, Jim's Trim and Keep made quick work of the mortises, dadoes and grooves in this model. There's lots of them, too. I'd probably still be drawing this if I'd use the Trim tool from the Solid Tools set. No. I tell a lie. I would have done all those manually in much less time than I'd have spent using the Trim tool. I'm thankful for Jim.


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                  pbacot
                  last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 01:45

                  Missed that model, Dave. Sweet! I like the drawer fronts. Makes the clear parts look fancier, no matter the grade or species. How do you use that pegboard thingy?

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                    Dave R
                    last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 01:55

                    Thank you Peter. On the original, the drawer fronts and the tongue and groove panels on the back and sides were painted with blue milk paint which was then oiled to give it a rich deep color.

                    That "pegboard thing" is called a dead man or a lazy jack. There would be a large peg inserted into a hole to support a wide board or a door on edge clamped in the front vise for planing. It slides on its shoe in the groove.

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                      newnoob
                      last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 11:54

                      Thanks Dave, Trim and Keepp is working flawless. I was succesfull in trimming all the strut instances against all the hub instances of my geodesic dome model.

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                        Dave R
                        last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 12:16

                        Good deal.

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                          Jim
                          last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 12:47

                          @newnoob said:

                          Thanks Dave, Trim and Keepp is working flawless. I was succesfull in trimming all the strut instances against all the hub instances of my geodesic dome model.

                          I am glad you were successful too. FYI Trim and Meep purposefully does not remove the components left around after performing the operation. They are all still available in the Component Browser. Run a Purge Unused operation to clean them up.

                          Hi

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                            Dave R
                            last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 12:50

                            @jim said:

                            FYI Trim and Meep purposefully does not remove the components left around after performing the operation. They are all still available in the Component Browser. Run a Purge Unused operation to clean them up.

                            That's a good point and I should have mentioned it.

                            Meep
                            Made me choke on my coffee. πŸ˜„

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                              newnoob
                              last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 19:02

                              @jim said:

                              I am glad you were successful too. FYI Trim and Meep purposefully does not remove the components left around after performing the operation. They are all still available in the Component Browser. Run a Purge Unused operation to clean them up.

                              I suppose you are the Jim who wrote "Trim and Keep", many thanks for that!

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                                Jim
                                last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 21:58

                                @dave r said:

                                Meep
                                Made me choke on my coffee. πŸ˜„

                                You started it...

                                Hi

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                                  Jim
                                  last edited by 7 Jan 2017, 22:00

                                  @newnoob said:

                                  I suppose you are the Jim who wrote "Trim and Keep", many thanks for that!

                                  Aye. You're welcome. Thank Dave - he's the one who conceived it - I just wrote it.

                                  Hi

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                                    Dave R
                                    last edited by 8 Jan 2017, 03:53

                                    @jim said:

                                    @dave r said:

                                    Meep
                                    Made me choke on my coffee. πŸ˜„

                                    You started it...

                                    πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†
                                    I didn't notice that. πŸ˜„

                                    I suppose I'd better change it though. Who's going to search for Trim and Meep?

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