Relinking A Viewport Changes SU Model Ref In ALL Viewports
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OVERVIEW:
I have a LO file that I have been working on for several weeks. It contains viewports that reference two different SU files. One SU file is "Existing Conditions", and the other is "New Work". Each page of my LO file has viewports that reference the two different SU files, stacked viewports overlaying scenes from the two SU files, etc.
THE PROBLEM:
I should say that the description above is how everything used to work.
For some reason all of my viewport scenes - every viewport on every page of my LO file - changed to "Last saved Sketchup View". Upon further investigation I discovered that if I tried to relink a viewport to it's SU file, LO automatically relinks every viewport across all pages to this SU file. In other words, my LO file is no longer able to reference more than one SU file, and it does not remember scene references. In other, other, words, my LO file viewports are now just a bunch of random images - not good.
FURTHER INFO:
- I created a brand new test LO file with two viewports linked to the two SU files above. I selected scenes, relinked them, etc and everything worked as it should in this new LO test file.
-I also did another test where I inserted (File / Insert) a new viewport into the "corrupted" LO file that I am having the trouble with. The viewports were all showing the "Existing Conditions" SU file viewports so I selected the "New Work" SU file to insert. A new viewport is inserted from the "New Work" file and on first impression the scene looks normal. However, two things show something is wrong. First, when you select the viewport (blue border) the Document Setup dialog box shows the only option available for this viewport is to "Purge" it. Update, Relink, Unlink, Edit, and Go To are all greyed out. Scrolling through the file references in the Document Setup box also shows that the "New Work" file is not even listed. Strange but true. To make sure one of the SU files was not the issue, I then did the exact same test but with all viewports showing the "New Work" and then I inserted a new "Existing Conditions" viewport. Same exact result.
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I am running the most current versions of SU and LO.
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The locations of the two SU files and the LO file have never changed on my computer.
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For my workflow, each viewport is set to a SU scene, and viewports are never "modified".
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Eric
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Did you try to relink the "new work" file in Document Setup? Not listed is a sure sign it wouldn't be working on update.
"Scrolling through Document Setup"? Do you have a lot of links? Maybe you hit an unknown limit for LayOut.
I've always thought that there should be an "Update only this reference" choice.
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For starters, You say, "For some reason all of my viewport scenes - every viewport on every page of my LO file - changed to "Last saved Sketchup View". Strange. What did you do for this to happen? You just opened the file and found the change?
You also say you tried to relink a viewport. With what steps did you try to do this? That's not a particular command that I find. Was it "update model reference"?
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Hi pbacot,
Thank you for taking a look. I will answer your questions, and then an update.
I am not sure what caused this to happen. I noticed a couple days ago that the viewports on one of my LO pages were not referencing correctly, but I was focused on drawing in SU and figured I would just fix it when I got back to it. I cannot think of anything I have done out of the ordinary to cause this, but clearly something caused it.
I definitely tried relinking both of the SU files multiple times.
I relinked my viewports using the Document Setup dialogue box. To relink I select the SU file from the References list. This will activate (blue box) the viewport I want to relink, and then I click the “Relink” button, and then select the correct file. Prior to attempting to Relink I also tried to “Update” multiple times, but to no avail. In regard to your question, rather than updating “Old” SU model references by right-clicking a viewport and then selecting “Update Model Reference”, I use the Document Setup dialogue box and click “Update”, but I believe both actions do the same thing.
As for the Reference File List I only have seven total items. Two SU files, a logo, and some hatches. All were there before the problem happened.
UPDATE:
Over the last 15 minutes I thought the problem had resolved itself. I was able to update the SU model references (still only two separate SU files), and relink the viewports to the correct SU models. Relinking one viewport to a specific SU file DID NOT change all other viewports so I thought the problem had corrected itself.
Unfortunately, upon “Updating” (not “Relinking”) a SU file in the Reference File list the problem happened again and EVERY viewport on EVERY page of my LO file changed to this model reference. Every viewport also lost it’s scene reference and is now referencing “Last Saved Sketchup View” rather than a specific scene.
To further clarify what I did when the problem happened: I simply went into SU, made some changes to a scene to clean it up (turned off some layers, etc), updated the scene, saved the SU file, then in LO I “Updated” the SU file in the Reference File list. Standard protocol for updating a scene. The strange part is that I had “Updated” this same SU model references a couple times in the previous ten minutes without a problem.
Note that Layout has been running progressively slower over the past couple days. Could file size be doing this? Here are the file sizes:
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New Work SU File = 136 MB - Note that this is the file that upon Updating seems to be giving me the trouble.
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Existing Conditions SU File = 32 MB
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LO File = 78MB
Computer = 2012 27” iMac 3.4 Ghz Intel Core i7 with 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 memory, and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2048 MB. OS X El Capitan 10.11.6
Thanks,
Eric
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Are you actually creating scenes in SketchUp to use for the viewports in LO? Are you making sure that those viewports are not showing their scenes as Modified in the SketchUp inspector window in LO?
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@dave r said:
Are you actually creating scenes in SketchUp to use for the viewports in LO? Are you making sure that those viewports are not showing their scenes as Modified in the SketchUp inspector window in LO?
Hi Dave,
Yes, all viewports are referenced to scenes in SU, and I never modify viewports in LO so none of my scenes show as "Modified" in the inspector window.
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Note that when my viewports change over to referencing just one SU file, the SU file that is no longer being referenced by the viewports is actually no longer shown at all in the Document Setup dialogue box under the reference files list. The file is apparently being purged.
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The only way the scene in layout will read as modified is if you tried to edit it or accidentally edit the SU file inside of LO. If you were able to relink the file, it is just a matter of selecting the correct scene in the Sketchup model tray, verify scale is set and preserve scale is checked. Anytime you edit anything in the Sketchup tray that alters the preserved scene it will show as "modified". Anytime you try to enter the Sketchup model in LO it will show the scene as "modified. Anytime you first insert a sketchup model in LO it will show as "last saved sketchup view"
If you have a dropbox link for the file, I could take a quick look for you.
As for running slower - those files sizes seem large. My largest file for a 9000 sf home fully detailed interior and exterior on a 25 acre parcel fully modeled is 66mb for the site plan LO file. Are you trying to 1 layout file for all drawings on a single project? I separate the drawing types to separate LO files....Site plans, Floor plans, elevations...etc. Makes it much more manageable and if things go south, easily fixed.
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@eric5555 said:
Note that when my viewports change over to referencing just one SU file, the SU file that is no longer being referenced by the viewports is actually no longer shown at all in the Document Setup dialogue box under the reference files list. The file is apparently being purged.
Just a wild guess......maybe it is a file path/file name glitch.
Are the two files identically named the same to a point?
I.E.:
johnsonresidencemodelofexistingconditions.skp
johnsonresidencemodelofnewconditions.skpAnd stored in the same location?
Again, just guessing
Charlie
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Hi Nick and Charlie,
I think I ultimately figured out what was happening. I am not 100% certain it will not happen again, but we shall see.
For now, please consider this resolved, and thank you for your responses.
Eric
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