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    • B
      Brighter3D
      last edited by

      @unknownuser said:

      You can use DL which replaced Win32API.

      I still try to support SU 6 and 7...

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      • Dan RathbunD
        Dan Rathbun
        last edited by

        @brighter3d said:

        I still try to support SU 6 and 7...

        ❓

        I don't.

        Too many unfixed bugs, and they distro'd with Ruby 1.8.0 initial release, which is like 20 years old. (I wouldn't help anyone with 7 unless they'd replaced the Ruby DLL with a newer one, as I explained how to do in the "Ruby Resources" topic.)

        Next year I'd say I will drop support for v8 and v2013, and be done with the old headaches that Ruby 1.8.x has, such as no unicode string support, etc.

        I'm not here much anymore.

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        • B
          Brighter3D
          last edited by

          Maybe you are right...
          For people doing renderings 2015 is first professional version (thanks to 64bit and possibility to use whole memory).
          From the other side v8 is last true free version (according to the license)...

          Do you know any recent statistics on SU versions usage?

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          • Dan RathbunD
            Dan Rathbun
            last edited by

            @brighter3d said:

            Do you know any recent statistics on SU versions usage?

            I've never heard Google or Trimble release any official numbers.

            Some plugin authors have collected data on what versions are running their plugin(s) but it's not global.

            Perhaps the SCF Plugin Store has data ?

            I'm not here much anymore.

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            • thomthomT
              thomthom
              last edited by

              @brighter3d said:

              Do you know any recent statistics on SU versions usage?

              SU6 and SU7 is very low. I wouldn't be too worried about trying to keep support for these versions in new releases. It's like trying to make a website for IE6 and 7 these days... 😉

              There are some users still on SU8 - though it appear SU2013 users migrate faster. Not sure why that is. Maybe it's the Google => Trimble thing...

              Personally I don't aim to support anything older than SU2014 any more - due to Ruby 2.0, standard lib and SU2014+ improvements. If my new releases will work on older it will be cause I didn't need to use the stdlib or any of the new SU2014+ features.

              Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
              List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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              • K
                kaas
                last edited by

                @driven said:

                I ran a variation of your script in v13 and v15 on my mac...

                t = Time.now
> f = Sketchup.find_support_file('candle.skp', 'Components')
> d = Sketchup.active_model.definitions.load f
> puts (Time.now - t) 
> #  all in different sessions of SU
> # v13 => 0.146086 , 0.037117, 0.022029
> # v15 => 0.033036, 0.046043,  0.013811

                john

                Thanks for looking into it. I tried your code on win32 and it loads the skp instantly. Great...but, plugins aren't installed in a sub-directory of the SketchUp installation directory anymore. Isn't it bad practice to put resources for a plugin in SketchUps installation directory instead of together with the code in the plugin directory?

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                • tt_suT
                  tt_su
                  last edited by

                  DefinitionList.load Performance Tests:

                  Test snippet:

                  <span class="syntaxdefault">skp </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> Sketchup</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">find_support_file</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(</span><span class="syntaxstring">'Car Sedan.skp'</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">,</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> </span><span class="syntaxstring">'Components/Components Sampler'</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">)<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">puts </span><span class="syntaxstring">"DefinitionList.load Timing Tests"<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">puts </span><span class="syntaxstring">"> SketchUp Version; #{Sketchup.version}"<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">total </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> 0.0<br />iterations </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> 10<br />iterations</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">times </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">{</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">|</span><span class="syntaxdefault">i</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">|<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  GC</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">start<br />  start_time </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> Time</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">now<br />  definition </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> Sketchup</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">active_model</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">definitions</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">load</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(</span><span class="syntaxdefault">skp</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">)<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  elapsed </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> Time</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">now </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">-</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> start_time<br />  total </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">+=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> elapsed<br />  puts </span><span class="syntaxstring">"> #{elapsed}; #{elapsed}"<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  Sketchup</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">active_model</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">start_operation</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(</span><span class="syntaxstring">"Remove Definition"</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">)<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  definition</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">entities</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">clear</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  Sketchup</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">active_model</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">commit_operation<br /></span><span class="syntaxkeyword">}<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">puts </span><span class="syntaxstring">"> Average; #{total / iterations.to_f}"<br /></span><span class="syntaxcomment"># require File.join(ENV['HOME'] || ENV['HOMEPATH'], 'Desktop', 'definition_list_load_test.rb')<br />&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault"></span>

                  DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9350
> 0.023006; 0.023006
> 0.037007; 0.037007
> 0.036002; 0.036002
> 0.034998; 0.034998
> 0.035001; 0.035001
> 0.035001; 0.035001
> 0.036999; 0.036999
> 0.035999; 0.035999
> 0.035002; 0.035002
> 0.035997; 0.035997
> Average; 0.034501199999999996

                  DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 14.1.1282
> 0.033001; 0.033001
> 0.034001; 0.034001
> 0.032002; 0.032002
> 0.034003; 0.034003
> 0.032001; 0.032001
> 0.033003; 0.033003
> 0.032002; 0.032002
> 0.031001; 0.031001
> 0.030007; 0.030007
> 0.032006; 0.032006
> Average; 0.032302700000000004

                  DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 13.0.4812
> 0.038; 0.038
> 0.033; 0.033
> 0.033; 0.033
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> Average; 0.0314

                  DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 8.0.16846
> 0.054; 0.054
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.045; 0.045
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.041; 0.041
> 0.04; 0.04
> Average; 0.042

                  DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 7.1.6860
> 0.035; 0.035
> 0.048; 0.048
> 0.043; 0.043
> 0.042; 0.042
> 0.043; 0.043
> 0.046; 0.046
> 0.043; 0.043
> 0.043; 0.043
> 0.042; 0.042
> 0.043; 0.043
> Average; 0.0428

                  I'm not seeing any performance regression - looks rather consistent on this end.. I'm not sure why you are seeing a difference on your system. ❓

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                  • jiminy-billy-bobJ
                    jiminy-billy-bob
                    last edited by

                    @brighter3d said:

                    Maybe you are right...
                    For people doing renderings 2015 is first professional version (thanks to 64bit and possibility to use whole memory).
                    From the other side v8 is last true free version (according to the license)...

                    Do you know any recent statistics on SU versions usage?

                    I have some data : http://thomashauchecorne.com/layers/analytics.php
                    But it's only about Layers Panel users (around 500 unique daily users)

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                    • K
                      kaas
                      last edited by

                      @tt_su said:

                      I'm not seeing any performance regression - looks rather consistent on this end.. I'm not sure why you are seeing a difference on your system. ❓

                      Hi Thom, thanks for taking time to look at my code-problem.

                      I don't see big differences as well if I load components from the SketchUp Components sub-folder (see my post, two posts above your post).

                      Have you tried my original code (loading from root of C OR loading from the Sketchup plugins folder) and looked at the differences?

                      I tested your code and here are the results:

                      SketchUp Version: 15.0.9350
                      0.06: 0.06
                      0.04: 0.04
                      0.05: 0.05
                      0.04: 0.04
                      0.040001: 0.040001
                      0.04: 0.04
                      0.05: 0.05
                      0.04: 0.04
                      0.04: 0.04
                      0.04: 0.04
                      Average: 0.0440001

                      SketchUp Version: 14.1.1282
                      0.02: 0.02
                      0.02: 0.02
                      0.02: 0.02
                      0.02: 0.02
                      0.02: 0.02
                      0.02: 0.02
                      0.02: 0.02
                      0.02: 0.02
                      0.02: 0.02
                      0.02: 0.02
                      Average: 0.019999999999999997

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                      • tt_suT
                        tt_su
                        last edited by

                        I still don't see any difference. Do you have a sample model to share?

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                        • Dan RathbunD
                          Dan Rathbun
                          last edited by

                          If a component has a classification assigned, the entire schema could be serialized into the skp file.

                          Upon loading the schema is loaded into the active model, correct TT ?

                          I'm not here much anymore.

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                          • tt_suT
                            tt_su
                            last edited by

                            Yup!

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                            • tt_suT
                              tt_su
                              last edited by

                              Well, actually, I'm not sure what SU does when you import... Need to check that. But it could be that we load the schema.

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                              • K
                                kaas
                                last edited by

                                @tt_su said:

                                I still don't see any difference. Do you have a sample model to share?

                                I just did some tests with all kinds of code and you might be right it's my component files that are causing the problem. This one (see attachment) for instance takes 0.93 seconds to load in V15 while in V14 it takes 0.36

                                I'm puzzled...

                                edit:

                                • the file in the attachment is 70kB in size. If I re-create it from scratch the file is 11Kb in size. Maybe there's something hidden/attributes that isn't purged using TIG's purge?

                                bed2p.skp

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                                • tt_suT
                                  tt_su
                                  last edited by

                                  Ok - now I can reproduce this:

                                  
DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 14.1.1282
> File; C;/Users/Thomas/Desktop/bed2p.skp
> 0.623036
> 0.566034
> 0.561033
> 0.560033
> 0.566032
> 0.565037
> 0.569028
> 0.567033
> 0.558033
> 0.597035
> Average; 0.5732334000000001


                                  
DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9350
> File; C;/Users/Thomas/Desktop/bed2p.skp
> 1.236068
> 1.278074
> 1.295075
> 1.286072
> 1.284073
> 1.28907
> 1.289079
> 1.281074
> 1.275078
> 1.276078
> Average; 1.2789741000000001

                                  I'll forward this to the team. It looks to be related to the classifier system as after I removed the IFC schema and saved a new file:

                                  
DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 14.1.1282
> File; C;/Users/Thomas/Desktop/bed2p2.skp
> 0.008995
> 0.006996
> 0.008
> 0.008001
> 0.008006
> 0.008997
> 0.008996
> 0.007997
> 0.009
> 0.008001
> Average; 0.0082989


                                  
DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9350
> File; C;/Users/Thomas/Desktop/bed2p2.skp
> 0.008005
> 0.005998
> 0.008
> 0.007
> 0.008005
> 0.006996
> 0.006
> 0.007
> 0.006
> 0.007
> Average; 0.007000400000000001

                                  The profiler will tell us exactly what it is. Thanks for the report.

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                                  • D
                                    driven
                                    last edited by

                                    I saved it as a componant and ...

                                    DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9349
> 0.033619; 0.033619
> 0.003637; 0.003637
> 0.003768; 0.003768
> 0.004126; 0.004126
> 0.003228; 0.003228
> 0.003331; 0.003331
> 0.003248; 0.003248
> 0.003292; 0.003292
> 0.003231; 0.003231
> 0.003322; 0.003322
> Average; 0.006480200000000001

                                    prior to that I got

                                    DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9349
> 1.569674; 1.569674
> 1.604715; 1.604715
> 1.554494; 1.554494
> 1.546019; 1.546019
> 1.591651; 1.591651
> 1.560916; 1.560916
> 1.561827; 1.561827
> 1.580865; 1.580865
> 1.577112; 1.577112
> 1.575873; 1.575873
> Average; 1.5723146

                                    john

                                    learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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