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  • S Offline
    solo
    last edited by 20 Dec 2013, 16:34

    Jay

    Lets do the yard first.

    Here is an image for those following of how the model looks.

    Back Yard 05.jpg

    For this exercise we are not going into modeling or texturing discussions. however I did remove most vegetation as I'd rather use the LumenRT supplied trees as they are way better and optimized.

    In your email you wanted to know how to add lights, I saw you had string lights and a ton of them on the arbors, I deleted a bunch of them as there were just too many and inserted a point light inside see image. These are found on the LumenRT toolbar.

    light setup.jpg

    I also added 3 point lights in pool

    Then I did a draft export to Lumion, set to night and done, some screen shots.

    Back Yard 05.jpg

    Back Yard 05_002.jpg

    And here is the Live cube to play with

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/5yot7t7pdz7lqur/Back%20Yard%2005.exe

    Dropbox link will be removed in 48 hours.


    Back Yard 05.jpg

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      solo
      last edited by 20 Dec 2013, 20:29

      Using SU scale tool.


      scale tool.jpg

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        JAWSnAZ
        last edited by 20 Dec 2013, 20:30

        OK. So added a point light as you said but my point light is much much larger than the one you show. How do I change the size so I can see where I am placing it?

        https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dI3U70aCPVk/UrSoDKimI0I/AAAAAAAAA5o/KFGlQL2pk9g/s1280/Back%2520Yard%252005%2520-%2520Point%2520Light.jpg

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          JAWSnAZ
          last edited by 20 Dec 2013, 20:35

          @solo said:

          Using SU scale tool.

          lol... that is the missing link in my head... treat the LumenRT components as any other component. Scale, Copy, etc...

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            solo
            last edited by 20 Dec 2013, 20:38

            When you export to live cube you press TAB and it will open up a menu on the left side where you can go into the lights menu and adjust the lights one by one, if you have a ton of lights it becomes a pain in the arse, there is no way to group adjust them.

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              solo
              last edited by 20 Dec 2013, 20:44

              Also notice how I reduced the amount of lights, less is best here, trust me.


              less lights.jpg

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                JAWSnAZ
                last edited by 20 Dec 2013, 21:09

                OK. Cool.
                Next question is about the glass bulb. Is there a way to make the glass bulb itself glow like it is frosted or translucent vs transparent?

                https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cWz1-HW8Ve8/UrS2P_sQ31I/AAAAAAAAA6E/XMprJ5_mGSI/s1280/Back%2520Yard%252005_001.jpg

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                  solo
                  last edited by 20 Dec 2013, 21:45

                  You can make the bulb a luminous material and not use the point lights, but then you do not have intensity control in live cube


                  luminous.jpg

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                    JAWSnAZ
                    last edited by 21 Dec 2013, 20:06

                    OK. So here is a test of Luminous Materials vs Point Light in LumenRT.

                    Luminous Materials - Luminous 1000

                    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-55_nui7KKKc/UrXxdMh3PuI/AAAAAAAAA6o/XqycM3ZPbMo/s1440/lighting%2520test%2520-%2520Luminous%2520Materials.jpg

                    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L0I9UvA89IA/UrXylFTe5lI/AAAAAAAAA7M/HRexmidAOIw/s1280/Luminous%2520Materials.jpg

                    Point Light - Incandescent - 2500 lumens

                    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5Ypb6sM2fiY/UrXxdEKTssI/AAAAAAAAA6s/r0EWyr8hrmg/s1440/lighting%2520test%2520-%2520Point%2520Light.jpg

                    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w673BqMJ6ko/UrXylED58SI/AAAAAAAAA7I/6nOYzcuIQPo/s1280/Point%2520Light.jpg

                    Point Light - Incandescent - 10,000 lumens

                    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2KACDICtlkU/UrX2Rj_I2iI/AAAAAAAAA7o/7UiWqKKobRA/s1280/Point%2520Light%2520-%2520Incandescent%2520-%252010%252C000%2520Lumens.jpg

                    I have tried to place the point light inside of and also overlap the luminous material to get the luminous material to cast a shadow. No luck either way.

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                      d12dozr
                      last edited by 22 Dec 2013, 07:46

                      What if you put the point light inside the luminous material, so you get shadows and the frosted light bulb effect?

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                        olishea
                        last edited by 22 Dec 2013, 14:54

                        This is a great thread and very generous of Solo to help out. Amazing forum work.

                        oli

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                          JAWSnAZ
                          last edited by 22 Dec 2013, 19:15

                          @d12dozr said:

                          What if you put the point light inside the luminous material, so you get shadows and the frosted light bulb effect?

                          Thanks d12dozr

                          I have also tried that. When I scale the point light down small enough and insert it into the luminous material the luminous material blocks the point light from escaping and does not create shadows.

                          It seems like the point light treats the luminous material as a solid object.

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                            JAWSnAZ
                            last edited by 22 Dec 2013, 19:20

                            @olishea said:

                            This is a great thread and very generous of Solo to help out. Amazing forum work.

                            I agree olishea.

                            I am very grateful to solo for the help. I also upgraded my membership from free to premium as a way to show thanks to SketcUcation and support these forums.

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                              d12dozr
                              last edited by 23 Dec 2013, 12:14

                              @jawsnaz said:

                              ...
                              I have also tried that. When I scale the point light down small enough and insert it into the luminous material the luminous material blocks the point light from escaping and does not create shadows.

                              It seems like the point light treats the luminous material as a solid object.

                              Ok, what if you paint the inside of the luminous material with a transparent material? I don't have LumenRT 4, or I'd try it myself...

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                                JAWSnAZ
                                last edited by 24 Dec 2013, 13:14

                                @d12dozr said:

                                @jawsnaz said:

                                ...
                                I have also tried that. When I scale the point light down small enough and insert it into the luminous material the luminous material blocks the point light from escaping and does not create shadows.

                                It seems like the point light treats the luminous material as a solid object.

                                Ok, what if you paint the inside of the luminous material with a transparent material? I don't have LumenRT 4, or I'd try it myself...

                                OK. I tried to paint the inside of the sphere with the luminous material with no change to getting the shadows but that idea worked somewhat. We are getting closer.

                                Here is the sphere with a point light in it.

                                The outside and the inside of the sphere are painted with LumenRT Materials - Translucent / Frosted Grainy Glass with the LumenRT - Point Light / Incandescent / 10,000 lumens scaled down and inserted into the sphere.

                                https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZI237Tvnbes/UrmJJH4GpmI/AAAAAAAAA9I/zpRtuBjNP9Q/w1598-h825-no/lighting+test+-+03.jpg

                                https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Mi1a94QZI40/UrmFLRqecOI/AAAAAAAAA8w/jMdWf9fJ7qY/w1280-h720-no/lighting+test+-+03.jpg

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                                  JAWSnAZ
                                  last edited by 24 Dec 2013, 19:01

                                  OK. So here is my latest go at it.

                                  I painted the light bulbs with Luminous material and created a point light just below the light bulb. I get the glow of the luminous material and I get the light pattern I am looking for.

                                  What do you guys think?

                                  https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QyQtTiW14iU/UrnX_0W3LhI/AAAAAAAAA9k/8QOISVRMIV8/w1598-h825-no/Back+Yard+05+-+LumenRT+Test+02.jpg

                                  https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GZExOjqu5Q4/UrnYJuBxKJI/AAAAAAAAA9s/gErXCTtJB-E/w1598-h899-no/Back+Yard+05+-+LumenRT+Test.jpg

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                                    solo
                                    last edited by 24 Dec 2013, 19:22

                                    👍

                                    That works.

                                    The question I have is are you having fun?

                                    If yes, then you are doing it right.

                                    So what else can I help with, I am around but distracted due to the silly season, so ask away and I'll jump in as I can.

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                                      JAWSnAZ
                                      last edited by 24 Dec 2013, 19:34

                                      @solo said:

                                      :thumb:

                                      That works.

                                      The question I have is are you having fun?

                                      If yes, then you are doing it right.

                                      So what else can I help with, I am around but distracted due to the silly season, so ask away and I'll jump in as I can.

                                      Answer is yes. I am loving it! It is much easier to learn with your help. At least you can point me in the right direction so I am not floundering around aimlessly. Thank you!

                                      Next would be general ambient light. Is there a setting to bring up the general brightness so that it isn't pitch black in the areas that are not being illuminated by light sources?

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                                        solo
                                        last edited by 24 Dec 2013, 20:47

                                        @unknownuser said:

                                        Next would be general ambient light. Is there a setting to bring up the general brightness so that it isn't pitch black in the areas that are not being illuminated by light sources?

                                        Do you have a scene in particular? interior or exterior?

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                                          JAWSnAZ
                                          last edited by 24 Dec 2013, 22:12

                                          I am still playing around with the lighting but here is a couple of pictures.

                                          https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-TPJjmPu8jmQ/UroHkkyoDRI/AAAAAAAAA-g/TPTV5O6S230/w1280-h720-no/Back+Yard+05+-+LumenRT+Test_004.jpg

                                          https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9hn639nPouY/UroFPwSVPXI/AAAAAAAAA-I/PnILGiMDt6A/w956-h538-no/Back+Yard+05+-+LumenRT+Test_003.jpg

                                          https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x8pS93uptAg/UroFPzFoZeI/AAAAAAAAA-M/1dLda2KwiXk/w956-h538-no/Back+Yard+05+-+LumenRT+Test_002.jpg

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