Level of SketchUp for profile
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@box said:
I feel it would be beneficial to have a few more levels.
more levels = confusion etc.
seems good as is.. basically, it's not a measure of how others may view your skill level.. more of a measure of how much confidence you yourself have in your sketchup abilities
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[edit] and yes, there will probably be some members who are mis-categorized but it seems to be about right in most cases.. and not really that big of a deal if someone's is listed wrong..
(plus, i don't want to be the guy going "hey, i'm going to drop you down to beginner level" etc.
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The list is not meant to change someone's level but as a help for those who are not sure which level to choose...
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I just lie and go straight to advanced... Makes me look smart.
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@cotty said:
The list is not meant to change someone's level but as a help for those who are not sure which level to choose...
oh.. right.. i wasn't knocking your list..
i was talking about keeping the categories simple as opposed to something like
beg1
beg2
int1
int2
int3
adv1
adv2(or whatever)
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@cotty
To be able to apply the "Advanced" criteria:
How about making those criteria apply to "Expert" and advanced would apply to those below the gurus, yet more experienced with regard to your criteria for "Intermediate".Beginner
Intermediate
Advanced
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I'd go one step further Bob and add Novice. Having a simple yet definite way of labelling yourself gives people some sense of structure. Being able to look at how others have rated themselves lets you get a feel for how you are doing and where your fit in the grand scheme of things while allowing others to understand better from what perspective your questions are coming.
When confronted with the current choices you look at it and think, ok I'm not really a beginner (unless of course you are) and I'm not up there with the tigs and thomthoms so I guess I'm intermediate.
But that doesn't really help, some intermediates won't even know what a plugin is let alone how to use it, some will, but should really still be learning the basics and still others will be fully conversant with most things but have a question about how to use a specific plugin to best effect.I fully understand the reason Carston started this thread, to give new users a sense of how to use the system, because some get it wrong. But it also seems to me if you are going to have these things in the profile they need to be more specific. The operating system field for example could be better too, simply saying windows doesn't help when things can vary from XP right through to W8.
I guess this post of mine should be in Ideas Board and not here but it is now....
Beginner
Novice
Intermediate
Advanced
Guruwould give everyone a comfortable spot to position themselves, with a clearer understanding of what depth to answer their question.
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@box said:
would give everyone a comfortable spot to position themselves, with a clearer understanding of what depth to answer their question.
I would agree with that. Sometimes, as I read the replies made to peoples questions, the answers are over my head, others are way to simple. But those are answers, to those people, and their level of understanding, is different than mine. I am a beginner and will always be a beginner I think, because I am always learning something new in here. Especially when the answers are different or several ways of doing the same thing, like native tools vrs. plugins. As I have read, even the gurus have different ways of doing the same thing. So, listing us as novice, beginner, etc. is only good if there is a question being asked. It isn't a badge of honor or title.
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@Box
Much better
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@box said:
I guess this post of mine should be in Ideas Board and not here but it is now....
Beginner
Novice
Intermediate
Advanced
Gurumaybe nix the guru one? scf already has top sketchucators which is via peer recognition and basically says "look, question asker, this person has proven themselves to be a helpful question answerer so you might want to consider their response a little more seriously than the others"
(oh, and hey @box, where's your green badge?
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I like Guru better than Top SketchUcator... Guru is more widely understood.
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@krisidious said:
I like Guru better than Top SketchUcator... Guru is more widely understood.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=34499
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Okay, no guru.
But for those who aren't "officially recognized" how about:Beginner
Novice
Intermediate
Advanced
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And shouldn't these titles be by vote of other individuals in the forum and not selected by one's self?
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@krisidious said:
And shouldn't these titles be by vote of other individuals in the forum and not selected by one's self?
Based on what criteria?
I think everyone has a "feel" for what level they are.
As I understand it, the function of these titles is only to help those who are responding to someone's question, to frame the level of their responseWhat in the world are you doing up at 3 in the morning
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Exactly and after they've helped someone they would get a vote. Maybe even the "solved" feature could be the vote. Then people who were the most helpful would rise to that title. People tend to have a higher opinion of themselves than others might, and then diametrically, those who tend to be those most helpful might also tend to be more humble.
I'm a night owl... I'm often up till 4 or 5. The joys of being self employed with a web based business with clients who normally email.
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@unknownuser said:
@box said:
I guess this post of mine should be in Ideas Board and not here but it is now....
Beginner
Novice
Intermediate
Advanced
Gurumaybe nix the guru one? scf already has top sketchucators which is via peer recognition and basically says "look, question asker, this person has proven themselves to be a helpful question answerer so you might want to consider their response a little more seriously than the others"
(oh, and hey @box, where's your green badge?
..you're always a good question answerer )I think these are two different things.
Top sketchucator, Global moderator, etc etc are specific forum titles that don't necessarily have anything to do with your SU level. Yes, I have a green badge, but I don't wear it, I also have a red badge and I don't wear that either. My Green badge was given to me because I do try to answer question when I know the answer, but it doesn't make me an Expert, it only means I answer questions and sometimes know the answer. I also know my limits and don't touch questions outside my skill level.
The five levels should be something the user chooses themselves, and I agree Expert is a better term than Guru.
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@krisidious said:
Exactly and after they've helped someone they would get a vote. Maybe even the "solved" feature could be the vote. Then people who were the most helpful would rise to that title. People tend to have a higher opinion of themselves than others might, and then diametrically, those who tend to be those most helpful might also tend to be more humble
I think the titles should be based on SU skill level, not on how helpful they've been.
IMHO I think anyone can gauge their SU expertise pretty well by comparing their models against what is posted in WIP and Gallery. -
For what it is worth....
I jumped in with a plus 1 to the idea of having some incremental steps for the intermediate level classification because I associated "beginner" with the skill sets identified in the SU beginner tutorials by Google. They are very basic and achievable, with practice, somewhat quickly. Then I have seen the work of those who have identified themselves as advanced here on this forum and I became quite inspired and humbled.
With beginner and advanced somewhat defined, I chose to categorize myself as an intermediate skill level SU/LO user. However, as I have spent more time in this forum, I have seen users who were quite more adept at modeling than I, who considered themselves intermediate in their skill level, and then I have noticed modelers who have generously marked themselves as advanced. I know I am not a beginner, but I also know that I have a long way to go before I consider myself advanced.
Something that I have wrestled with when I visit the WIP gallery is that many of those projects are co-mingled with rendering skills. So I try not to confuse my modeling with modeling and rendering. Or maybe I'm just kidding myself there...
)Somewhere between the beginner and advanced level is a vast and varied intermediate level. I am of the opinion that one does not make that particular transition in a quick and linear fashion, hence my support for a couple of levels for intermediate.)
It might seem like semantics to some or even ego stroking to others when it comes to identifying one's skill level, but I think it has some merit when seeking help. Consider that an answer to the same question posed by a kindergartner and a college graduate would be framed quite differently from someone who really is interested or able to answer the question.
I will be listing myself as intermediate for quite a while, because there are many aspects of this deceptively simple native program to master and manipulate.
I cheer those who have "begun" and to those that have truly made it to an advanced level, I salute you.
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I like my beginner level.
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