New skyscraper design
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i read this earlier and now i'm reading it again.. i still can't figure out how it was possible to overlook.. i mean, i get it to some extent.. they originally had a 20 floor construction then got to bump up to 40+ so there was probably a lot of excitement and rushing going on during the mod but still.. how nobody in the process managed to see it is very surprising..
oh well.. they should put elevators on the outside now.. might be cool like that anyway.
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c'mon only 47 stories. wimps!
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i really don't know.. this has to be some sort of publicity stunt, right?
okay.. the architects missed it.. let's give them that.
but the builders? there's no way they would of missed it.. i mean, that's what they do-- they build tall buildings.. of course, without a doubt, one of the builders would of noticed.. because that's his job- he's generally one of the crew that's putting in shaft forms.
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or the elevator sales reps? This big building going up and they just stood by? Building department?
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@pbacot said:
Building department?
right.. people approving permits (or at least someone on the committee) when it's their main focus to analyze tall structure elevators and/or the people capacity of the building and things like emergency flow.. the inspectors all miss it.. etc.
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What about a fire pole or a good slide on the stair rails.
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One of my earliest projects as an intern was a small office building, and it wasn't discovered until the end, as the client was moving in that the building didn't have any phone jacks. At no point did I, my employer, the contractor, the electrical subcontractor, the developer, or the client notice this omission!
But phone jacks are a far cry from an elevator in a skyscraper.The last university project I worked on the first thing the construction office did was check all my drawings for brick ties - it seems on a recent, large project the architect forgot to specify wall ties on the brick veneer (and apparently no one noticed until during construction).
I guess that is why the insurance is called errors and omissions insurance.
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ha. yeah.. i'm human too and forget/overlook stuff all the time..
i'm not crying 'conspiracy' or whatever.. it's really just hard for me to imagine that something such as elevators in a skyscraper would go overlooked for so long..
or, maybe it's just that the story is being presented to us such that it wasn't until 95% completion before the error became apparent.. maybe the architect's did actually forget the elevators in the plans but realized it a long time ago.. at say, 10% completion.. at which point they made the decision to continue construction as the plans show meanwhile coming up with a solution for outside elevators..
or something?
dunno, it'd be nice to at least see some statements from those actually involved in the project.. even if their statements were something like "yes, the story which is being presented to the public is factual... we truly screwed up and didn't realize it until last week"
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Just needs a new sales pitch
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This news just seems to not be true .
Here is a link from a blog telling about it .
It is in Spanish , but click in the links provided and you can see interesting visual information .
Mainly what it says is that all this buzz about the lack of the elevators seems to be a hoax that has been amplified especially by American media and completely wash the media with some blogs and Anglo_news .
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It seems to be a hoax, or at least mis-reporting of partial 'facts'
In most EU countries [including Spain] such buildings [over ~18m high] must have a protected full-height fire-stair shaft, which also incorporates a fire-fighting lift [elevator], and fire-fighters' dry-risers etc...
It might have some issues in the technical realization because of the doubling of its height, but it would not have got past first-base with approvals etc without some provision - even if it now proves somewhat inadequate etc - so someone somewhere might have been lax during the redesign: but if it has actually got this far without anything, then many people would have been so unprofessional and incompetent that they ought to lose their professional licenses, let alone get their arses sued off
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@tig said:
It might have some issues in the technical realization because of the doubling of its height,
It was designed from the beginning as a 180 meter high , see the file attached .
Intempo. Structure in a 180-meter high-rise.rar
The news came from the Spanish Newspaper El Pais :
http://economia.elpais.com/economia/2013/07/20/actualidad/1374340685_911593.html
and from there it spread like gunpowder . -
These guys aren't even trying - in London we have a skyscraper that cooks eggs and melts parts of cars.
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@rodentpete said:
These guys aren't even trying - in London we have a skyscraper that cooks eggs and melts parts of cars.
not that big of a deal. just put up a no parking sign on the two sunny days per year
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