Mac to PC
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I've had an imac for 4 years now. Yeah it looks good but it just can't cope with rendering 3D and hdri panormas any more. Dual core just isn't enough for me, work is taking twice as long.
While I love the simplicity of an imac and smooth OS, you just can't update them. If you buy a brand new imac now for say £2000, it is already outdated!!
The apple pricing also frustrated me. All their extras such as more RAM, better graphics, bigger hard drive are literally 2-3 times more expensive than what you can buy them for in a shop. They are the SAME parts, same part numbers etc....they just charge you 2-3 times more!!
So I went to a PC store in UK called SCAN. I was well impressed. It's like the PC version of the apple shop, but with SERIOUS computers, for example there was a £20,000 setup!!! I've never seen a shop like this before!
Originally I was looking at a 27" imac, quad core 3.4 ghz with 16GB RAM. Price was easily over £2000.
Now I can get a SIGNIFICANTLY quicker machine for £300 less if I go down the windows route. Plus it can be updated whenever I like. Same 27" screen as the imac too (but £300 cheaper of course because it doesn't have an apple logo!!)
Intel Core i7 3930K s2011
Asus P9X79 PRO X79 MoBo s2011
Corsair 32GB XMS3 kit (4x8GB)
2GB EVGA GTX660 SC PCI-E
2TB SEAGATE ST2000DM001 SATA3
256GB SSung 830 SSD Basic Kit
27" Dell U2711 WQHD TFT
1 SSUNG/SH-S222AB/BEBE SH-S222BB/BEBE 22x dvdrw
CorsairCorsair CP-9020013UK GS
MS Win 7 Home Prem 64bit OEM
CORSAIR CARBIDE 300R BLACKWhat does that spec sound like? Looks like i'll be rendering on 12 cores!!! Anything I've missed?
I have loved my time with Apple but windows has come on so far that I would feel like a complete idiot spending all that money with apple for an outdated slower machine that you can't update.
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Welcome to earth.
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@unknownuser said:
While I love the simplicity of an imac and smooth OS, you just can't update them. If you buy a brand new imac now for say £2000, it is already outdated!!
Welcome to hell
How much a macpro costs? A lot? I have one three years old (2xXeons 16 threads) I updated the GPU these days, I updated RAM a year ago, hard drives etc.
It still is among the fastest in all forums. Only the macpros 6cores Xeons are a bit faster.
So, for a three years old machine, ~$3000, I wonder. How much Solo paid all these three years for upgrades? I bet he bought 1-2 completely new machines from scratch.
MacPros are cheaper. You can boot them as WIN only, if you like this.
From 2002-2007 I was among those who came back to PCs after '97. I hope I won't do it again. I don't even have a dual boot engine - wrong, I have a linux boot -So what about this? How much a PC costs, like this one?
http://store.apple.com/us_smb_78313/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro
I mean the second on the list, ~$3,800 = £2,348
Think carefully Oli. A <250 display, calibrated under the excellent OSX is more than enough for you.Don't listen to PC users, they simply don't know much...
I mean it.Edit:
If these were not enough,
An ATI performs better under OGL than any nVidia (except the very expensive quadro FXs)
New GPU (cuda based) rendering engines (like cycles, octane etc). what about them?
A 2xXeon 6 cores =24 threads CPU will perform almost the same, without all the known issues under CUDA.
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@unknownuser said:
Don't listen to PC users, they simply don't know much...
I agree....I have no idea what you are talking about
Don't apples grow on trees?
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@rich o brien said:
@unknownuser said:
Don't listen to PC users, they simply don't know much...
I agree....I have no idea what you are talking about
Don't apples grow on trees?
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@unknownuser said:
I wonder. How much Solo paid all these three years for upgrades? I bet he bought 1-2 completely new machines from scratch.
Nothing actually, Next year is my year to upgrade. I have 3 i7's in a render farm configuration (really stripped down basic rigs with one monitor for all three on a switch, I7 chip-set, Nvidia 260 GPUs and 12MB ram each) Next year I add to it, by getting a new I7 top rig with new GPU and and a ton more ram and then my rig I'm using right now joins the others in the farm, so I get one main rig and 4 render rigs....and it will grow from there.
Remember Michalis I'm in no competition on any forum to have the fastest rig as you like to brag about, I need work horses that get stuff done, time is money, and I'd rather have my other machines take on the time killing work and keep one rig on new work, kinda like a factory.
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It's a bit of a joke though Michalis, the price is ridiculous when you actually shop around. Yeah I love the OS but windows 7 is infinitely better than the old crap we used to deal with.
Yeah that mac pro is £2300+ for just the machine, I want to spend less than £2000 on everything. No other mac way of doing this I'm afraid. I need cores for rendering, some hdri panos I'm making are taking hours to process. This setup I propose would be pound for pound faster than equivalent price imac.
Another reason why I won't buy apple again, their customer service is appalling. This is the 6th screen I've had on my imac, it's still steamed up now. My mum's ipad burnt within one week of ownership and they replaced it furtively with a second hand unit. My macbook pro got repaired and they sent it back with a big dent. Patronizing, arrogant staff, I just hate the whole scene. Would just feel like a complete idiot spending £2000 with them again for a slower machine.
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For work on the move nothing has worked for me better than MacBook Pro's for 3D & 2D.
I have used some super high spec laptops from Alienware for 3D but they are just as expensive as a top of the line MBpro.However for rendering and for most serious work you need a desktop and in the department for value for money Apple just cant compete with PC hardware. Plus Apple has a habit of breaking as soon as your care plan is up.
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Mac? Hmmm...
Never had it, never missed it.
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I have Mac (iMac, MacBook Pro, iPad etc ) at home and Windows at work, I love my Mac's but I HATE the Mac version of SketchUp. I find the Windows version much better.
Infract I have windows 7 in a Parallels VM on my iMac just to run SU.
I don't do any serious work in SU at home, if I was to then I'd get a Windows machine just for it. -
Long time passed before Pete tries to comment one of my posts.
This shows how right I am.
Buy a macpro Oli, you deserve it. Money you gonna spend... stop thinking like a british, they're famous on this money subject. What greeks are famous for, it's another matter of discussion. -
Oli
Have you considered Raspberry Pi...
What about a farm built from them...
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Aerilius, this is your hand and definitely your farm for SU
Next time, I'll patent my ideas before I'll make comments on SUF -
@michaliszissiou said:
Long time passed before Pete tries to comment one of my posts.
This shows how right I am.
Buy a macpro Oli, you deserve it. Money you gonna spend... stop thinking like a british, they're famous on this money subject. What greeks are famous for, it's another matter of discussion.A greekman giving me advice on money?!
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@michaliszissiou said:
What greeks are famous for, it's another matter of discussion.
Oh! oh! I know...
Running 30K then falling down dead. They celebrate that every year in Boston, I think.
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