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Why is China America's friend, but Cuba isn't?

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    Ecuadorian
    last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 01:22

    Watching Obama on TV explain that they do not support Cuba because of their lack of democracy and human right violations, it's giving me a headache trying to understand why, then, they are close friends with China, another non-democratic country and human rights violator, even to the point of kicking Taiwan, a democratic country, out of the UN security council in the process...

    Only explanation I see is: Money. China produces cheap goods for the US, while Cuba doesn't. But this would mean all that "fighting for freedom and democracy" thing is pure B.S... It's giving me a headache. Or maybe it's just that I haven't slept enough after a week full of work.

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      Krisidious
      last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 01:47

      Because my friend... We Americans are hypocrites...

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        solo
        last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 02:00

        We really need a 'like' button, Kris is right! (yes i said it)

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          ken
          last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 02:15

          Because Cuba does not make cheap I Pads.

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            solo
            last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 02:27

            @unknownuser said:

            Because Cuba does not make cheap I Pads.

            Ipad's are cheap?

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              Krisidious
              last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 02:50

              It must be the same reason we buy oil from tyrants like Chavez, we liberate countries like Iraq and leave to toil countries like Darfur.

              but more than that I suspect it's a long held policy of no Communism in the Western Hemisphere, an extension of the Monroe Doctrine. which after the loss of a few Central and South American countries became no Communism in the North-Western Hemisphere. and thus comes the Cuban Missile crisis and the Bay of Pigs fiasco and our since standing base at Guantanamo Bay. we had hoped that Castro would die and the country would be free... but not yet.

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                jeff hammond
                last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 03:31

                china has better cigars

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                  pbacot
                  last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 03:57

                  I hope to go to Cuba someday. It has always irked me that the Land of the Free's government is telling me where I cannot go.

                  No special love for Castro but I think some USA factions resent that their tyranny was replaced by his.

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                    Stinkie
                    last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 06:30

                    Yeah. Not a fan of Castro's either (though I am on the left), but I think the US's embargo is absurd.

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                      Alan Fraser
                      last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 07:33

                      Yes, the embargo should have been lifted years ago. Just think of all those lovingly-preserved vintage cars you could get your hands on. πŸ˜‰

                      Seriously, Ecuadorian is right...the given reasons are pure BS. Of course it's all about money, trade and local politics. Anyone with a non-US passport doesn't have a problem. Link

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                        Stinkie
                        last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 08:36

                        @alan fraser said:

                        Seriously, Ecuadorian is right...the given reasons are pure BS. Of course it's all about money, trade and local politics.

                        Yeah. And imagine what would happen to the US president who lifts the embargo. Not being re-elected would be the least of his/her problems, I think.

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                          solo
                          last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 11:24

                          If we cannot break the trade embargo at least lets give them Coca Cola, they are one of three countries in the world that do not sell Coke. πŸ˜•

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                            Rich O Brien Moderator
                            last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 11:31

                            Wow, that is an odd stat. What are the other 2?

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                              solo
                              last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 11:33

                              North Korea and Mayanmar (Burma)

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                                Rich O Brien Moderator
                                last edited by 14 Apr 2012, 11:41

                                Recently there was an iPad app that had 100's of images from within N.Korea. It was truly boggling to behold. One image struck me which was of their first and only fast food restaurant.

                                Obviously what you saw above the counter to eat was exactly what you got on the plate.

                                I find it hard to grasp what it must be like to be in a situation where your every move is dictated.

                                At least Cuba is somewhat liberal. Or that's the impression I have.

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                                  Daniel
                                  last edited by 17 Apr 2012, 16:30

                                  @solo said:

                                  If we cannot break the trade embargo at least lets give them Coca Cola, they are one of three countries in the world that do not sell Coke. πŸ˜•

                                  OH, THE HUMANITY!

                                  Getting back to the original question, I suspect at least part of the answer goes back to cold war politics. Cuba was chummy with the USSR, perceived enemy of the West, one result being the Cuban Missile Crisis. Because of their close ties with the USSR, becoming friendly with Cuba was never really an option.

                                  Although a communist country, China was never really on very friendly terms with the USSR, and it seemed natural to draw the one further away from the other; the process of befriending China has been going on for decades, starting with Nixon, and involved the gradual introduction of capitalism. You have to admit the China of today is different from the China of 30-40 years ago (Chairman Mao is probably rolling is his tomb).

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                                    EscapeArtist
                                    last edited by 17 Apr 2012, 16:59

                                    Cuba - commies with nothing we want.

                                    China - commies that make our stuff cheaply so that corporations can make $$$.

                                    It's all about money.

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                                      Daniel
                                      last edited by 17 Apr 2012, 17:17

                                      To think a country's economy never factors in the Great Game of politics, no mater the size of that country, would be naive. But it wasn't/isn't all about the money. Idealogy and world influence played/plays a part, too.

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                                        jeff hammond
                                        last edited by 17 Apr 2012, 17:28

                                        @escapeartist said:

                                        Cuba - commies with nothing we want.

                                        hmm.. maybe you've never tried their sandwiches?

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                                          solo
                                          last edited by 17 Apr 2012, 18:19

                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          Cuba - commies with nothing we want.

                                          They have awesome baseball players πŸ˜‰ Oh and great doctors too.

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