Did a God or Gods create the universe? EDITED
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@ Bravo ‘TomDC’, for that “the best post you've read there yet”:
“Factors such as 'love' are not evidence for the existence of God”...Of course love is the result of some chemicals or stray electrical bio-circuits...
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Why doesn't anyone quote these verses?
@unknownuser said:
Ezekiel 23:19-20
Common English Bible (CEB)
19 But she added to her promiscuities, bringing to mind her youthful days when she was a prostitute in the land of Egypt. 20 She lusted after their male consorts, whose sexual organs were like those of donkeys, and whose ejaculation was like that of horses. -
You're right, ‘Gilles’ (and 'Solo'), the Holy Bible is a solid “stick”, a solid rock for me!
“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17) -
@ Rich O’Brien
I can explain you the verses mentioned by you (Ezekiel 23:19-20), what they mean, but that does not interest you...!
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May 'heroes', read the whole Bible, then we can talk like people who want to know the truth!
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@unknownuser said:
@ Bravo ‘TomDC’, for that “the best post you've read there yet”:
“Factors such as 'love' are not evidence for the existence of God”...Of course love is the result of some chemicals or stray electrical bio-circuits...
Congratulations!Well, uncomfortable though you may find it, there is much more evidence for the latter, than the fact that it is God-given. In fact there is no evidence for it being God-given at all...and I mean EVIDENCE not presumption; either yours or the authors of the Bible.
When the electrical or chemical activity of the neurons and synapses is disrupted...as in dementia or brain injury...love all too frequently disappears. QEDWe are more than the sum of our parts. It's how you use that love, not the mechanism behind it that is important.
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@ Marian
Your country, Romania, is a ‘Christian country’, where most are Orthodox, having knowledge of “Bible foul contents”, as you said.
Who is confused, you or the Romanian people?!I'm not confused at all, and I don't claim to understand what all my brethern have in their heads. I also don't understand what were you trying to say by that anyway. I can't be an atheist if a large majority of people in my country consider themselves religious?
Please don't pretend to understand the situation on the ground just on the basis of some biased statistics. If you manage to discuss this subject you will find out that most Romanians know little of the bible and its exact contents and I would at most consider them deist or just Sunday Christians. but that is the case with most Christians anyway. It is of course much more complicated than that, but from my experience few people here have or read the Bible, but they do have a lot of prayer books and calendars with all the holy days marked on them. Mostly they follow tradition and what priests say and not scripture. I could go more indepth as to explain why this is but it's not really relevant here.@unknownuser said:
@ TomDC. Marian denies the Bible used by his ancestors, but it is obvious that he didn’t study it!
There's plenty of things wrong with this comment.
Why does it matter what book my ancestors followed? I don't know my complete lineage so I can't be sure what ethnicities my distant ancestors were but I am most certain there were plenty of them who were pagan. Shouldn't I decry the loss of those ways too?
Yes, I deny the Bible as being anything other than a book written by ignorant people, so what? If it were really divine I think it would have been clear to everybody. A perfect, omniscient being couldn't have wrtten such and imperfect and faulty book/s.Oh and I did study it, at least part of it and not very recent,I admit, but I know plenty of the filth it holds. We have religion classes in school here, where the teacher is most often a priest. It's sort of state sanctioned mild indoctrination.
I could, if I really wanted to waste my time, find the bible and its most grotesc passages on the internet and show you, but youtube is full already of very informed excellent arguments against you. -
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@ Rich O’Brien
I can explain you the verses mentioned by you (Ezekiel 23:19-20), what they mean, but that does not interest you...!
Be serious and honest!(True inclusive for other mockers...)Can you explain this?
@unknownuser said:
"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them."
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@ Marian.
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May 'heroes', read the whole Bible, then we can talk like people who want to know the truth!
I've read the whole Bible...several times, in addition to all the dipping in and out. The difference is that I read it critically.
"To question all things;– never to turn away from any difficulty; to accept no doctrine either from ourselves or from other people without a rigid scrutiny by negative criticism; letting no fallacy, or incoherence, or confusion of thought step by unperceived; above all to insist upon having the meaning of a word clearly understood before using it, and the meaning of a proposition before assenting to it;– these are the lessons we learn from the ancient dialecticians."
- John Stuart Mill, Inaugural Address as Rector, University of St, Andrews, 1867
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I think the people above already obliged your request. Why would a perfect god be so vulgar is beyond me, but that is the least of his problems.
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Ezekiel 4:12 was fulfilled in 70 AD, when Emperor Titus surrounded Jerusalem, and it will come true again during the Tribulation. God explains this state has been reached! Read the entire text and you willfind out why!
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@ cornel
As I can remember Moses received Ten Commandments from "God", is there anything else to know, who wrote the bible ?ps: Tell us more about you, we don't even know where you come from.
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@marian said:
I think the people above already obliged your request. Why would a perfect god be so vulgar is beyond me, but that is the least of his problems.
I find those sorts of verses, although shocking to our sensibilities, very informative in a sense. The contexts are very different, as are the reasons for using that sort of language but I find they tend to give us a clearer picture than if they weren't included. In some cases they're clearly meant to 'shock' us into seeing the ugliness we're capable of or which exists in our broken world. In other cases I think it's a simple and honest description of what happened. In others it might show us that God is, perhaps not as neat and clean as we'd like him to be.
Part of the problem with our culture is that we've turned the Bible into a series of children's stories. I think this is not only false but it damages our perception of God. Noah's flood, is a classic example, painted on the walls of many sunday school rooms. It makes for a pretty enough scene if you focus on the cute animals and not all of they drowning people and animals which are left out - but those things are important to the story.
-Brodie
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@ ‘gilles’. re. autors of the Bible. Books of Moses, Moses wrote; the Psalms of David, David wrote; Gospel of Matthew, Matthew wrote; Paul's Epistles, Paul wrote, and so on...
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The Bible is not one book, as many consider, but a collection of 66 books containing stories, prophecies, poems, maxims and thoughts, letters, etc..
These books were written by about. 40 different authors, with different backgrounds like: kings, prophets, doctors, fishermen, shepherds, etc.. Most authors have not personally ever known ... and the whole collection was written in a period of about 1500 years. The 66 books were written in three different languages (in Jewish, Aramaic and Greek) and three different continents (Asia, Africa and Europe)So, 66 books, written by 40 different authors, in a period of 1,500 years, in three languages and three continents, describing the same issues, teachings and exhortations, without having errors or contradictions.
Go to any library in the world and try to find other collections so efficient that the similarities of the Bible? Impossible, isn’t it?!
The probability that someone can create such a collection that can meet the conditions books of the Bible, is one of a number for which there is no in the world enough paper to be written.
The logical conclusion: the Bible is the inspired Word of God! -
"In the beginning there was nothing... Then it exploded!"
Or did someone already mention that?
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@unknownuser said:
So, 66 books, written by 40 different authors, in a period of 1,500 years, in three languages and three continents, describing the same issues, teachings and exhortations, without having errors or contradictions.
well, there you go.
you just gave me a proof that you didn't really "read" the book.@unknownuser said:
Cornel wrote:
@ TomDC. Marian denies the Bible used by his ancestors, but it is obvious that he didn’t study it!that goes with the Unitarian too. they might ask you the same question and judgement. these words may be applied to you by the Unitarian, "Cornel denies the original scriptures used by christian ancestors, long before Constantine and Council of Nicaea came and affirm Trinity into the scriptures as if Jesus [ed] was Son of God as if truly Hercules Son of Zeus."
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The “biginning point” iz “Alpha” point...
Time is a parenthesis of Eternity ...
Eternity is interrupted at the point “Alpha”, [corresponding to the completion of Creation and fall (in sin) of man], and will get back on track to "fullness of time", the “Omega” point (corresponding to a "new heaven" and "new earth"), as "Ever and ever" period.As a large part, time covers three distinct eras (Before the Flood, Current Age and the Age to Come), each era having specific subdivisions.
For example, "Current Age" includes these periods: World after Flood, Patriarchs (from Abraham to Moses), Law period, the Church and the Tribulation time. -
@unknownuser said:
As a large part, time covers three distinct eras (Before the Flood, Current Age and the Age to Come), each era having specific subdivisions.
Is this the flood that flooded the entire earth? if yes, where did all that water come from or go to? because even with all ice caps, glaciers, Antarctica and the arctic melted it will never flood the entire earth, so we either lost a shit load of water or that entire story is crap.
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