Using DropBox and symbolic links with SketchUp.
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This really makes a lot of sense! I have been tempted to do it for
quite some time, but have not pulled the trigger because of what is probably an
Unfounded fear.
What if one day Drop box ceases to exist? I have been using drop box
for some time for a component library, but I back it up on my own hard drive periodically
"Just in case".I guess the same could be done with the plug in folder. If one was to back it up each time
a new plug in was added there would always be an up to date copy available if the drop box
site went down or away or I was working without an internet connection....Am I being overly careful?
Now you have me thinking about how beneficial this would be in the office...5 work stations
all synced to one plug in folder.I need to do this. Please tell me I have been a worry wart and I have nothing to fear.
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Believe me, I think we all have similar concerns. But, of course, the concept is good. I think any "innovation" is a double edged sword. They hacked phone mail.
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@pmolson: I'm really not a fan of the "cloud" so I know some of your fears quite good
In my opinion Dropbox is the safest service of its kind and it's definitely not going to disappear without notice, since they have millions of users (also big companies among them) and they just got one more huge funding. Beside that, everything you put in the Dropbox is also copied locally on the machine you use, so if the online version is not accessible you still have the local one. The best way to fight fears is obviously the usage of backups: you can setup a script (or do it manually) for doing a whole backup of the Dropbox folders you are wanting to be 100% sure you won't lose, putting it in an archive and periodically erasing the obsolete versions. -
Great post, I've been using this exact method for quite awhile now and it works wonderfully. I was so frustrated not having the same plugins on my computers.
As you mention, the protection is that your files aren't ONLY located on the cloud. In fact, the files on the cloud aren't the ones you're accessing, but rather the ones on your hard drive which Dropbox disperses to all your computers. However, I have had an issue before which you should be careful of. Sometimes when I'm updating my Maxwell Render plugin everything gets erased from my plugins folder! It's happened a couple times and I suspect it has something to do with the symbolic link rather than Dropbox per se. So now whenever I change the plugins folder I copy it within the same folder (it names it Plugins Copy or something like that). So if something goes crazy I just delete the plugins folder and rename the Plugins Copy folder to Plugins. No reason you couldn't do the same thing but copy it to some other non-dropbox location if you wanted.
If I didn't already have this set up though, I'd look into Sugar Sync (https://www.sugarsync.com/referral?rf=9cph9pitfssm&utm_source=txemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=referral). Honestly I haven't really used it much yet but it seems to work a lot like dropbox except you also have the ability to sync folders anywhere on your HD - eliminating the symbolic link hassle. I'm hoping dropbox incorporates this soon so I don't have to worry about switching. I think you also get like 5gb of free storage with sugar sync. If you haven't set up dropbox yet it's worth looking into.
-Brodie
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Very cool but what happend when your Internet Connection is crashed for a month and all plugins are now inside the Dropbox?
you have killed the original for win some place
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@unknownuser said:
Very cool but what happend when your Internet Connection is crashed for a month and all plugins are now inside the Dropbox?
you have killed the original for win some placeYou're misunderstanding how dropbox works I think. With dropbox there's a folder on your computer (C:\Users\bgeers\Documents\My Dropbox). When you put something in there Dropbox copies it to their server and then copies it to that same folder which is located on your other computers in the same location. So now you can access that file either by going to the My Dropbox folder on your hard drive, or by going to the dropbox website, logging in and then grabbing the file from there (basically only useful if you're on a computer where you don't have dropbox installed). Each file also gets a URL. I use this a lot to share images online or to send someone huge files.
So if your internet dies, or dropbox goes belly up, the only thing you lose is that syncing between your computers. You still have your My Dropbox folder on your hard drive with all the files in it.
-Brodie
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Good article, thanks for posting.
XP does not support symbolic links - but you can use hardlinks for files and junctions for folders.
I have just started using them to make my own (and others') version controlled plugins repositories available directly from the Plugins folder.
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@aerilius said:
I've also been using a similar setup for some months, it's very comfortable to have the same plugins in all SketchUp versions on all systems and always up-to-date.
Symlinks are really more powerful than the 'normal' links. On Windows they exist as a file system feature only since Vista+ (as far as I know). Does someone know if there is a more comfortable way to create them (ctrl+shift+drag&drop ?) or a program that can add that capability? Also any known solutions for XP?
I never knew about the ctrl+shift thing - nevertheless, for me it just creates a regular shortcut. The method I use is to select the folder, right-click, select Pick Link Source, go to the other folder, right-click, select Drop As, and choose the type of link you want. I use Junction - I'm not sure what the advantage of Symbolic Link is if there is one.
-Brodie
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@Brodie : I never had that weird problem, if it will happen I will post here. Can it be the issue is connected with the Maxwell plugin? I don't use it so I can't test it. Thanks for letting me know though! About SugarSync, I tried it in the past but I felt the Dropbox way was more streamlined, so I went for it; I actually remember there was a reason in particular that made me stick to Dropbox, but a lot of time passed and I don't remember anymore
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I've also been using a similar setup for some months, it's very comfortable to have the same plugins in all SketchUp versions on all systems and always up-to-date.
Symlinks are really more powerful than the 'normal' links. On Windows they exist as a file system feature only since Vista+ (as far as I know). Does someone know if there is a more comfortable way to create them (ctrl+shift+drag&drop ?) or a program that can add that capability? Also any known solutions for XP?
Edit: I found a utility that adds a context menu and drag&drop to Windows for creating junctions/hard links/symbolic links etc. I've missed symlinks from Windows, but I'm happy that XP has, if at least something that works similar (junctions).
http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/hardlinkshellext.html -
@andrea.bianco said:
@Brodie : I never had that weird problem, if it will happen I will post here. Can it be the issue is connected with the Maxwell plugin? I don't use it so I can't test it. Thanks for letting me know though! About SugarSync, I tried it in the past but I felt the Dropbox way was more streamlined, so I went for it; I actually remember there was a reason in particular that made me stick to Dropbox, but a lot of time passed and I don't remember anymore
That's good to know about sugarsync. It seems great but until I have a reason to switch I don't have the time to figure it out. Good to know I'm on the right track based on your experience.
It probably does have something to do with the way the Maxwell installer works. I've never heard of anyone else having issues but I don't know of anyone who's run the installer who also syncs with dropbox. So I'm sure I'm just in a very small bubble. I just thought I'd bring it up as an outside possibility for caution. 99% of users wouldn't need to worry about it but if you use plugins with some sort of installer (mostly rendering plugins I'd imagine), it wouldn't hurt to be extra careful.
-Brodie
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For some reason I can't get this to work on my home computer. I set it up fine at work. I followed the same instructions at home and it seems like it worked, but the link to the Dropbox plugins file did not show up in my Sketchup directory. I thought maybe I'd done something wrong so I typed the commands again and now it says: Cannot create a file when that file already exists. How do I delete the link that apparently doesn't work on my home computer, and what step do I need to do differently to link correctly to my dropbox files?
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@unknownuser said:
For some reason I can't get this to work on my home computer. I set it up fine at work. I followed the same instructions at home and it seems like it worked, but the link to the Dropbox plugins file did not show up in my Sketchup directory. I thought maybe I'd done something wrong so I typed the commands again and now it says: Cannot create a file when that file already exists. How do I delete the link that apparently doesn't work on my home computer, and what step do I need to do differently to link correctly to my dropbox files?
Make sure that you're removing the Plugins folder from C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Google SketchUp 8 and move that folder to dropbox (just a simple cut/paste will do). Then choose that Plugins folder in Dropbox as the link source and then drop that into C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Google SketchUp 8. That way when SU looks for a plugin it will look into the Google folder and be routed to dropbox. I gather you may have reversed the steps in which case it won't work as a sync. Am I mistaken?
-Brodie
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Brodie, At work I removed the plugins folder from it's default location and pasted it into my dropbox folder. Then I issued these commands:
cd C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Google SketchUp 8
mklink /D Plugins C:\Users\MyUserName\DropBox\Sketchup\Plugins
This created a new folder in my SketchUp 8 folder that linked back to dropbox. At home, I removed the plugins folder from the \SketchUp directory. Since I already have the plugins folder in my dropbox, I didn't paste it there. Then I issued the same commands as I did at work, but the new folder in \SketchUp 8 was not added. When you say "drop that" (the dropbox plugins folder) into my \Sketchup directory, do you mean to copy it? How is the link maintained if I do that? -
Sorry, I didn't really read through the original posters instructions. I'm not sure why you'd use the cmd line for this. Downloading that symlink extension for windows adds a right-click option. I wrote some brief instructions here http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=34019&hilit=+dropbox
I think using the right-click method avoids some of the mystery behind using the cmd line. Since you've got the plugins folder in your dropbox and it's apparently set up fine at work at home all you should have to do is make sure you don't have a plugins folder in the google location. Right-Click your Plugins folder in dropbox select Pick Link Source (this is the new option which the shell extension adds). Then go to the google location where SU will look for the Plugins folder right-click and you'll see an option Drop As select that and choose Junction (or according to the OP symbolic link should work too).
Let me know if that works.
-Brodie
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I don't use dropbox but ran across this article expressing some concerns about it's security, just FYI http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/sorry-dropbox-i-still-dont-trust-you/4173?tag=nl.e539
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@hellbank: thanks for the link. As I said earlier in this thread, I'm not a fan of the cloud; there's not a single cloud service out there that can give us a 100% safe service with total protection of our privacy and that can promise no outages or server issues. I simply don't trust the cloud for anything really confidential. That being said, using Dropbox for keeping my plugins and resources in sync between many machines is giving me no concerns in terms of outages (I still have local copies, it's the beauty of Dropbox) nor privacy ones (my plugins are downloded from the net, like many of my resources). I also use Dropbox for sharing files online (my tutorials, images, ect) and since I'm sharing them already, I don't care about "privacy" etc. I think putting confidential stuff online is always a risk and should be avoided as much as possible, no matter the platform we use (email, social network, cloud storage, etc). By the way, I really don't think Dropbox is less safe than GMail or any other Google service -- remember when Google pushed Buzz on the users making their provate contact lists visible to everyone else, also giving a frequency of contact indication? Well I'm glad SketchUp and YouTube are the only Google services I use
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Just a thought - if plugin authors each used a shared dropbox, then it might be possible that we could all get instant plugin updates directly as they are made.
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That would be cool. I have it set up that with a team I'm working with. I write stuff, and they get the updates automatically. I've got a loader script that they all put into their plugins folder that points to their dropbox, but I like this symbolic link a lot.
We should set something like that up. Of course, we would need to do better at making plugins be extensions so the user could turn them off within SU - as modifying the name/moving to a different directory would not work since everyone is accessing the same file.
How many people does dropbox let you share a folder with? There are public folders that share with unlimited people, right?
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@unknownuser said:
How many people does dropbox let you share a folder with? There are public folders that share with unlimited people, right?
There's a limit of 10GB of traffic with DropBox. Then you're folder is suspended from use.
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