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  • E Offline
    ely862me
    last edited by 21 Jan 2011, 18:31

    Hmm..didn't even knew that Fredo's scale has that ability..

    Anyway,the transition between the twist and the straight bar it's a bit odd.

    With a bit more work u can achieve this result.With some arcs and Curviloft it came out pretty well.


    twisted metall stripe.jpg

    Elisei (sketchupper)


    Before no life was done on Earth it was THE LIFE ITSELF...GOD
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      JicJac
      last edited by 21 Jan 2011, 18:53

      @ely862me said:

      Hmm..didn't even knew that Fredo's scale has that ability..

      Anyway,the transition between the twist and the straight bar it's a bit odd.

      With a bit more work u can achieve this result.With some arcs and Curviloft it came out pretty well.

      Amazing. Perfecto. It's a lot for me (noob/novice) to grasp. Now I have two plugins to learn. Will the learning never end?

      Thank to all,

      JJ

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        ely862me
        last edited by 21 Jan 2011, 19:16

        Learning never ends.


        Twisted metall stripe by EliseiDesign.jpg


        Twisted metall stripe by EliseiDesign.skp

        Elisei (sketchupper)


        Before no life was done on Earth it was THE LIFE ITSELF...GOD
        Come and See EliseiDesign

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          JicJac
          last edited by 21 Jan 2011, 19:31

          @ely862me said:

          Learning never ends.

          Ah! Very clever. This looks like the type of solution I would come up with during my trial and error process. I understand (thanks to the great instructional presentation you prepared) the concept. When I have time, I'll give this a solution a try and let you know how it goes.

          JJ

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            Humpmetwice
            last edited by 21 Jan 2011, 20:03

            Here is my attempt I tried the same technique as Solo but looks like his came out a lot better!
            I was wondering Solo did you twist it all at once or did you do it in segments because I tried doing it all at once and didn't look right.Tricky Twist.png


            Tricky Twist.skp

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              JicJac
              last edited by 21 Jan 2011, 20:11

              Are the plugins exclusive to MAC? ~ I'm running a PC.

              I "think" I followed the instructions.....

              http://www.3d-documents.com/images/Plugins.png

              but I get this error message:

              Error Loading File ZLoader__
              no such file to load -- LibFredo6.rb
              Error Loading File ZLoader__FredoScale.rb
              no such file to load -- LibFredo6.rb

              It looks to me like a "Lib" file is needed?

              I don't expect anyone to spend their time and talent troubleshooting for me. I suppose there is another forum section for these matters. But if I can help someone else down the line by pointing out a problem I'm experiencing, it's a good thing.

              JJ

              BTW, Thanks humpmetwice for your elegant contribution. I think this was a fun exercise for all.

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                jeff hammond
                last edited by 21 Jan 2011, 20:28

                @jicjac said:

                Are the plugins exclusive to MAC?

                ha.. no. that almost never happens.

                you're missing the libFredo files.. get them here:

                http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?t=17947

                dotdotdot

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                  JicJac
                  last edited by 21 Jan 2011, 21:03

                  @unknownuser said:

                  @jicjac said:

                  Are the plugins exclusive to MAC?

                  ha.. no. that almost never happens.

                  you're missing the libFredo files.. get them here:

                  http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?t=17947

                  Woot! Thanks Jeff. I have the Scale and Round Corner plugins now working.

                  I'll get the hang of it yet.

                  Thanks for helping me solve this issue,

                  JJ

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                    fuzzion
                    last edited by 22 Jan 2011, 05:07

                    Industrial design without Fredoscale is like trying to ride a bike
                    without the wheels πŸ˜›

                    "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato

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                      Arc
                      last edited by 22 Jan 2011, 09:42

                      You can use Curviloft plugin make this directly.
                      curviloft.jpg

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                        jarynzlesa
                        last edited by 22 Jan 2011, 11:58

                        Nice work boys πŸ‘ .
                        One question. Is any chance to make a radius on the edges?


                        twisted metall stripe.jpg

                        http://www.vizualizaceschodiste.mypage.cz/

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                          fuzzion
                          last edited by 22 Jan 2011, 15:04

                          @jarynzlesa said:

                          Nice work boys πŸ‘ .
                          One question. Is any chance to make a radius on the edges?

                          If you mean something like a rounded edge,chamber etc......use round corner plugin. You could also use the follow me
                          tool but get ready to kick a dustbin whilst banging your head against a wall πŸ˜›

                          "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato

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                            ely862me
                            last edited by 22 Jan 2011, 18:15

                            @arc said:

                            You can use Curviloft plugin make this directly.
                            curviloft.jpg

                            well done ..very nice .. very fast
                            Learning never ends!!

                            Elisei (sketchupper)


                            Before no life was done on Earth it was THE LIFE ITSELF...GOD
                            Come and See EliseiDesign

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                              JicJac
                              last edited by 22 Jan 2011, 18:41

                              @fuzzion said:

                              Industrial design without Fredoscale is like trying to ride a bike
                              without the wheels πŸ˜›

                              Fuzzion,

                              I believe ShetchUp is currently primarily used for architectural projects. I can certainly see where it's a big plus for industrial designers. The styles must come in real handy for you. There are probably 100 architects for every 1 industrial designers. I am a technical illustrator specializing in patent drawings . I only use SketchUp in about 2% of my projects. I expect it to climb to around 6-8%. I also use other products such as Corel Designer X5, QuadriSpace, SolidWorks, Adobe Illustrator, etc. The more "mechanical" features (plugins and functions) available in SketchUp, the more illustrators and industrial designers will be attracted. These opinions (and knee-jerk statistics) are my own guestimations.

                              JJ

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                                Box
                                last edited by 22 Jan 2011, 20:10

                                @jarynzlesa said:

                                One question. Is any chance to make a radius on the edges?

                                Simple, just start with your flat bar having radius corners and everything flows from there.


                                Twist Rad.jpg

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                                  Jim
                                  last edited by 22 Jan 2011, 20:50

                                  Does the patent office accept 3d models? If not, wht not?

                                  Hi

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                                    JicJac
                                    last edited by 22 Jan 2011, 21:20

                                    @jim said:

                                    Does the patent office accept 3d models? If not, wht not?

                                    Jim, No. The patent office (USPTO) requirements are very traditional (archaic). I've been in the trade for more than 40 years. My tools have changed from pencil, pen, ink, templates, 2 ply Strathmore Bristol Board, etc. to 100% digital. The final deliverables continue to look old school. If you were to patent a battle ship, all the drawings would need to fit on 8 1/2 X 11 or A4 paper (many sheets of course). Reason? Tradition and consistency I suppose. Only in the past few years have I been able to use gray scale to any extent. For an attorney to submit color renderings is a whole separate rigmarole. For the most part, the attorneys quiver and yield when an examiner presents drawing complaints. You would not believe how difficult it is to respond to and comply with an examiner's complaint when they get focused on minutia. It's a great trade though. I am self-employed, work from my home/office/studio. The overhead is minimal and pulling down 6 figures is very realistic. For these conditions, I'd draw on a shovel blade with charcoal if that's all they'll accept.

                                    I mention these examples (above) to help demonstrate how far off 3D models seem to be. No sense in arguing the sense of using 3D. The USPTO stores the images in TIFF format (go figure). To view patents online (a stride in technology), you need a TIFF viewer.

                                    Seems like the USPTO is shooting for the lowest common denominator. This makes sense if a level playing field is the objective. After all, it is the government and must be equal to all.

                                    My thoughts and observations,

                                    JJ

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                                      fuzzion
                                      last edited by 23 Jan 2011, 01:38

                                      @jicjac said:

                                      @jim said:

                                      Does the patent office accept 3d models? If not, wht not?

                                      Jim, No. The patent office (USPTO) requirements are very traditional (archaic). I've been in the trade for more than 40 years. My tools have changed from pencil, pen, ink, templates, 2 ply Strathmore Bristol Board, etc. to 100% digital. The final deliverables continue to look old school. If you were to patent a battle ship, all the drawings would need to fit on 8 1/2 X 11 or A4 paper (many sheets of course). Reason? Tradition and consistency I suppose. Only in the past few years have I been able to use gray scale to any extent. For an attorney to submit color renderings is a whole separate rigmarole. For the most part, the attorneys quiver and yield when an examiner presents drawing complaints. You would not believe how difficult it is to respond to and comply with an examiner's complaint when they get focused on minutia. It's a great trade though. I am self-employed, work from my home/office/studio. The overhead is minimal and pulling down 6 figures is very realistic. For these conditions, I'd draw on a shovel blade with charcoal if that's all they'll accept.

                                      I mention these examples (above) to help demonstrate how far off 3D models seem to be. No sense in arguing the sense of using 3D. The USPTO stores the images in TIFF format (go figure). To view patents online (a stride in technology), you need a TIFF viewer.

                                      Seems like the USPTO is shooting for the lowest common denominator. This makes sense if a level playing field is the objective. After all, it is the government and must be equal to all.

                                      My thoughts and observations,

                                      JJ

                                      Patent drawings must follow the standards provided by the USPTO, including line thickness, the material textures,etc. They are not up
                                      for negotiation with the USPTO.

                                      Part of my research thesis was on Patent Examination. The thing here is that the USPTO wants to keep the same standard of patent drawings
                                      so that disputes are not from the style of drawings but rather from the claims of the invention.

                                      Patent law is very concerned with Claims. It is not really hard to draft claims, but for non lawyers, i would suggest grabbing a patent attorney if you believe you need money and that your invention is worth more than $50,0000. Prior to that, one should conduct his or her own
                                      patent search remembering that the USPTO system works on classification of patents, so best to find your group and search.They start with electrical,mech and chem. They dont always class it right (UPSTO examiners are like monkeys and get many things wrong)

                                      In my opinion, the Patent system is dead for small and medium sized enterprises. Yes , there is now the class of 'innovation patents' but they too have severe limitations. The patent system is geared towards litigation and those with deep pockets. Hence why I believe all my product ideas are free and up for grabs.

                                      Idea's should be shared not monopolised and someday in the future, we will all realise this, even Google πŸ˜„

                                      "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato

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                                        pilou
                                        last edited by 23 Jan 2011, 02:42

                                        @ JJ
                                        Try Moment of Inspiration : It's a nurbs modeler but it's very good also in 2D ! πŸ‘
                                        And unic caracteristic: you can use it only with a graphic Pen tablet so cool for "artist"! 😎

                                        Frenchy Pilou
                                        Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                        My Little site :)

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                                          JicJac
                                          last edited by 23 Jan 2011, 12:54

                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          @ JJ
                                          Try Moment of Inspiration : It's a nurbs modeler but it's very good also in 2D ! πŸ‘
                                          And unic caracteristic: you can use it only with a graphic Pen tablet so cool for "artist"! 😎

                                          Pilou,

                                          Thanks for the introduction to MOI. I am not familiar with this product. I do not use a graphic pen tablet (yet). I have my plate full learning SketchUp, QuadriSpace (for technical manual production), SolidWorks (to manipulate existing 3D geometry) and a myriad of other products. I'll take a better look at MOI as time and conditions permit.

                                          JJ

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