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    • MarianM Offline
      Marian
      last edited by

      @numbthumb said:

      Itยดs coming along really nicely. ๐Ÿ‘

      Thanks. ๐Ÿ˜„

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      • Bryan KB Offline
        Bryan K
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        Whoa! Yes. Looking very good!

        See my portfolio at https://delphiscousin.blogspot.com/

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        • GaieusG Offline
          Gaieus
          last edited by

          @bryan k said:

          Whoa! Yes. Looking very good!

          Definitely! ๐Ÿ‘

          Gai...

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          • MarianM Offline
            Marian
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            Yet another small update. I have added floor boards on the walls and railing. I don't know how accurate are wooden boards on the walls...but I'm not sure if this type of fortress had completely rock walls or not and I know that in the walls there were chambers for various uses so I'm going with wood at the moment.

            If you are wondering when I'll be detailing the interior buildings well...I keep delaying them because there are a few thing which are different in the references I found and I need to figure out which what how...๐Ÿ˜›


            Cetatea de Scaun a Sucevei.2255.jpg

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            • GaieusG Offline
              Gaieus
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              Well, IF there was some wooden flooring there (I doubt however), your boards are definitely out of scale, Marian. They are too big IMO.

              Anyway, these small details will add the realism eventually. I like the whole building very much so far. Maybe the terrain colour could be changed...

              Gai...

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              • MarianM Offline
                Marian
                last edited by

                You're the expert. I was merely going with one of the examples I used as reference. It's clear that these differences between the references mean that not a lot is known about most of the details or only a handful of experts are privy to such information.
                About the terrain, what do you suggest? At the moment it is the texture google earth.

                http://marian87.deviantart.com/

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                • GaieusG Offline
                  Gaieus
                  last edited by

                  Well, as it is now, it's a kind of clay render so I would not bother myself with the terrain texture. However, later you may wish to add something different (it's Kerky, isn't it? So some instanced vegetation and such could add some nice surround...)

                  Gai...

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                  • MarianM Offline
                    Marian
                    last edited by

                    @gaieus said:

                    it's Kerky, isn't it?

                    No, it's Simlab Composer. I could add trees later on when the model is more complete.

                    I think the interior side of the wall is too high, I'll have to raise the buildings a little.

                    Here's another render, without the boards and with a simple terrain colour.


                    Cetate de Scaun Suceava _169.jpg

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                    • numbthumbN Offline
                      numbthumb
                      last edited by

                      @marian said:

                      No, it's Simlab Composer

                      I know, Iยดve seen some of your work there. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Great progress. ๐Ÿ‘

                      Comfortably numb...

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                      • GaieusG Offline
                        Gaieus
                        last edited by

                        It's also a great application (I have it although I am not sure if the latest version...)

                        Gai...

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                        • MarianM Offline
                          Marian
                          last edited by

                          Yup, It's a pretty good piece of software. You should upgrade, it's free, unless you want to upgrade it from the rendering to animation version.

                          I've done a bit more tweaking. I have united the back wall with the interior building, similar to the physical model at the museum...added a bit more height to the walls and added the road and bridge.
                          I'll have to do a bit more work on how the bridge joins the road.
                          I'm also going to add a draw bridge.


                          SimLab_173.jpg


                          SimLab_181.jpg

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                          • GaieusG Offline
                            Gaieus
                            last edited by

                            So far it really looks great! Nice project (I can imagine how you enjoy it).

                            Gai...

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                            • MarianM Offline
                              Marian
                              last edited by

                              Thanks ๐Ÿ˜„

                              @gaieus said:

                              (I can imagine how you enjoy it)

                              I do enjoy it and this project made me become even more fascinated with the architecture and history of castles and fortresses, even fortified houses and churches. There is something special in a fortified structure that I can't really put my finger on. I searched for these structures in my country and found out about some treasures I didn't know existed, some of them unfortunately lost to history.
                              I don't know exactly why I only now attempt to model this fortress that has been part of my life for a long time. It's interesting that this was not one of my first projects when learning SU or I didn't try it when you suggested it some time ago. Maybe it was my recent visit to Alba Iulia and witnessing the beauty and grandure of its Vauban style fortress now being reconstructed in all its glory included with guards in Austrian-Hungarian military uniforms. I think this made me long for something of equal measure that I could link myself to and be proud of my home town.
                              Unfortunately the ruins that now remain of the Suceava fortress while are interesting and somewhat impressive are underwhelming compared to its complete shape this why I opted for the reconstruction and not just modeling its ruins.
                              But enough ranting...๐Ÿ˜›

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                              • GaieusG Offline
                                Gaieus
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                                A couple of years ago there were some talks about the Arad Fort becoming part of the World Heritage but I cannot find any info on it now (it is my sister-city and back then I used to work for the Town Hall here).

                                Also, there were plans to reconstruct much of it although the current GE imagery does not show if that happened.


                                Arad Fort.kml

                                Gai...

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                                • MarianM Offline
                                  Marian
                                  last edited by

                                  That's awesome, I didn't know of this one either. It looks intact but overgrown. Maybe I'll do a model of this one too someday.
                                  I couldn't find anything on its reconstruction either so I doubt they did anything. It's the same thing with the Suceava fortress they talk about rebuilding it for more than 20 years. In the 80's it was partially rebuilt. In recent years they keep making projects for European funding 2007- project for 23 million euros, 2009-17 million euros and 2010 14 million. This year...they'll write a project to make it from matchsticks. ๐Ÿ˜’

                                  You can see I'm really iritated with the way things work around here, everything is linked to politics and nothing gets done, or it takes ages.... ๐Ÿ˜ข

                                  Anyway...I found something interesting about Timisoara, unfortunately it's all written in Romanian.
                                  http://art-historia.blogspot.com/2010/04/timisoara-otomana_23.html
                                  http://art-historia.blogspot.com/2010/11/timisoara-austriaca.html
                                  The gist of it is that Timisoara has a rich and tumultous history, being conquered by the Ottomans and remaining Ottoman for 162 years then being conquered by the Austrians.
                                  The important thing in those articles are the reconstructions of the fortresses of those periods.

                                  http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iDRlyfXvxlQ/S9GUfuozLbI/AAAAAAAAERM/FOFFBgCY89w/s400/timisoara+otomana+veduta.jpg

                                  http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iDRlyfXvxlQ/S9GUfAPPhnI/AAAAAAAAEQ8/o_BBR_RcV_s/s400/timisoara+turc+castel.jpg

                                  http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iDRlyfXvxlQ/TNBoXc37atI/AAAAAAAAE5M/MANmuupX2G4/s400/timisoara+afis+mare.jpg

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                                  • GaieusG Offline
                                    Gaieus
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                                    Well, Timisoara (Temesvรกr) was under the longest Turkish rule and indeed it was quite fortified - especially after the Turkish wars at the end of the 17th century. Those images are great however.

                                    It was taken by Soliman the "Magnificent" in 1552 and during his last campaign in 1566 to occupy Szigetvรกr, he died during the siege here, about 30 kms from my place. The pashas kept his death in secret however and the Turks took the castle (and of course, all the defenders were slaughtered as they did not want to give the castle up).

                                    Now it seems that the Turkish government wants to "rent" the castle (for 99 years or what) and they are planning to renovate it and reconstruct it to the state it was in the 16th century.

                                    http://www.ecohun.com/images/szigetvar.jpg

                                    http://www.magyar-varak.hu/grafika/Szigetvar_grafika_1.jpg

                                    The siege in a contemporary depiction:

                                    http://www.mult-kor.hu/attachments/16746/szigetvar2.jpg

                                    Mosque in the castle

                                    http://www.terebess.hu/keletkultinfo/minaret/pics/szigetvar.jpg

                                    The memorial of Zrรญnyi (Zrinski in Croatian as he was partly of Croatian origin), the defender and Soliman

                                    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2563/4129875941_74bc6db6ef.jpg


                                    The border of a "good" and a "blurry" piece of imagery unfortunately goes through the middle of the castle

                                    Gai...

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                                    • MarianM Offline
                                      Marian
                                      last edited by

                                      It looks very well preserved and yeah that blurry line in GE just ruins it.
                                      That thing about the Turkish government wanting to "rent" the fortress and restore it is an interesting solution. Maybe we should try and "rent" some of our castles to Hungary ๐Ÿ˜„, I mean we share more history with you guys then the Turks do. I can imagine the nationalistic headlines on both sides... ๐Ÿ˜’

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                                      • GaieusG Offline
                                        Gaieus
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                                        @marian said:

                                        I can imagine the nationalistic headlines on both sides... ๐Ÿ˜’

                                        Ah, tell me about it...

                                        BTW my grandfather was born in Transylvania (my other grandfather in nowadays Slovakia) and some of our family is still in Serbia...
                                        My wife's family is also from Transylvania but her father was already born in Slovakia.

                                        I doubt however that our government would want to rent any of those castles BTW. Not nowat least.
                                        ๐Ÿ˜†

                                        BTW this is the main square of my town - and guess what; with a Turkish mosque (now used as a Catholic church) in the middle.
                                        ๐Ÿ˜„


                                        Pecs.kml

                                        Gai...

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                                        • MarianM Offline
                                          Marian
                                          last edited by

                                          I don't know my ancestry very well but most of my ancestors are from Moldova. My grandfather, from my father's side, says that our ancestors originally came from across the mountains in Ardeal/Transylvania maybe 150-200 years ago.
                                          Our family name, Rodu, is rather unique in general and not very common. Other people around the country with the same name are almost certainly related to me.
                                          This makes me think that my distant ancestors could be Polish, rodu in Polish means family and knowing the history between Poland and Moldova that seems more plausible, but who knows, it can be a perfectly normal Romanian name that got altered when was first written in official documents.

                                          The building's architecture looks interestingly well suited to both a mosque and church.
                                          Also the cross on top of the crescent is very unique, at least I have never seen it represented that way.

                                          http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/72854/pecs_mosque3.jpg

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                                          • GaieusG Offline
                                            Gaieus
                                            last edited by

                                            It was reconstructed around 1940 to this "original looking" state. It used to have some Baroque additions from the 18th century:

                                            http://www.templom.hu/phpwcms/pecs-belv/kul/belv3.jpg

                                            So not everything is impossible or hopeless!
                                            ๐Ÿ˜„

                                            Gai...

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