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    • GaieusG Offline
      Gaieus
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      @marian said:

      I see he made a few from my side of the border ๐Ÿ˜„

      And in Slovakia...
      ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Gai...

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      • MarianM Offline
        Marian
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        Another small update.


        Cetatea de Scaun a Sucevei.2253.jpg

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        • numbthumbN Offline
          numbthumb
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          Itยดs coming along really nicely. ๐Ÿ‘

          Comfortably numb...

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          • MarianM Offline
            Marian
            last edited by

            @numbthumb said:

            Itยดs coming along really nicely. ๐Ÿ‘

            Thanks. ๐Ÿ˜„

            http://marian87.deviantart.com/

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            • Bryan KB Offline
              Bryan K
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              Whoa! Yes. Looking very good!

              See my portfolio at https://delphiscousin.blogspot.com/

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              • GaieusG Offline
                Gaieus
                last edited by

                @bryan k said:

                Whoa! Yes. Looking very good!

                Definitely! ๐Ÿ‘

                Gai...

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                • MarianM Offline
                  Marian
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                  Yet another small update. I have added floor boards on the walls and railing. I don't know how accurate are wooden boards on the walls...but I'm not sure if this type of fortress had completely rock walls or not and I know that in the walls there were chambers for various uses so I'm going with wood at the moment.

                  If you are wondering when I'll be detailing the interior buildings well...I keep delaying them because there are a few thing which are different in the references I found and I need to figure out which what how...๐Ÿ˜›


                  Cetatea de Scaun a Sucevei.2255.jpg

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                  • GaieusG Offline
                    Gaieus
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                    Well, IF there was some wooden flooring there (I doubt however), your boards are definitely out of scale, Marian. They are too big IMO.

                    Anyway, these small details will add the realism eventually. I like the whole building very much so far. Maybe the terrain colour could be changed...

                    Gai...

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                    • MarianM Offline
                      Marian
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                      You're the expert. I was merely going with one of the examples I used as reference. It's clear that these differences between the references mean that not a lot is known about most of the details or only a handful of experts are privy to such information.
                      About the terrain, what do you suggest? At the moment it is the texture google earth.

                      http://marian87.deviantart.com/

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                      • GaieusG Offline
                        Gaieus
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                        Well, as it is now, it's a kind of clay render so I would not bother myself with the terrain texture. However, later you may wish to add something different (it's Kerky, isn't it? So some instanced vegetation and such could add some nice surround...)

                        Gai...

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                        • MarianM Offline
                          Marian
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                          @gaieus said:

                          it's Kerky, isn't it?

                          No, it's Simlab Composer. I could add trees later on when the model is more complete.

                          I think the interior side of the wall is too high, I'll have to raise the buildings a little.

                          Here's another render, without the boards and with a simple terrain colour.


                          Cetate de Scaun Suceava _169.jpg

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                          • numbthumbN Offline
                            numbthumb
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                            @marian said:

                            No, it's Simlab Composer

                            I know, Iยดve seen some of your work there. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Great progress. ๐Ÿ‘

                            Comfortably numb...

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                            • GaieusG Offline
                              Gaieus
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                              It's also a great application (I have it although I am not sure if the latest version...)

                              Gai...

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                              • MarianM Offline
                                Marian
                                last edited by

                                Yup, It's a pretty good piece of software. You should upgrade, it's free, unless you want to upgrade it from the rendering to animation version.

                                I've done a bit more tweaking. I have united the back wall with the interior building, similar to the physical model at the museum...added a bit more height to the walls and added the road and bridge.
                                I'll have to do a bit more work on how the bridge joins the road.
                                I'm also going to add a draw bridge.


                                SimLab_173.jpg


                                SimLab_181.jpg

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                                • GaieusG Offline
                                  Gaieus
                                  last edited by

                                  So far it really looks great! Nice project (I can imagine how you enjoy it).

                                  Gai...

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                                  • MarianM Offline
                                    Marian
                                    last edited by

                                    Thanks ๐Ÿ˜„

                                    @gaieus said:

                                    (I can imagine how you enjoy it)

                                    I do enjoy it and this project made me become even more fascinated with the architecture and history of castles and fortresses, even fortified houses and churches. There is something special in a fortified structure that I can't really put my finger on. I searched for these structures in my country and found out about some treasures I didn't know existed, some of them unfortunately lost to history.
                                    I don't know exactly why I only now attempt to model this fortress that has been part of my life for a long time. It's interesting that this was not one of my first projects when learning SU or I didn't try it when you suggested it some time ago. Maybe it was my recent visit to Alba Iulia and witnessing the beauty and grandure of its Vauban style fortress now being reconstructed in all its glory included with guards in Austrian-Hungarian military uniforms. I think this made me long for something of equal measure that I could link myself to and be proud of my home town.
                                    Unfortunately the ruins that now remain of the Suceava fortress while are interesting and somewhat impressive are underwhelming compared to its complete shape this why I opted for the reconstruction and not just modeling its ruins.
                                    But enough ranting...๐Ÿ˜›

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                                    • GaieusG Offline
                                      Gaieus
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                                      A couple of years ago there were some talks about the Arad Fort becoming part of the World Heritage but I cannot find any info on it now (it is my sister-city and back then I used to work for the Town Hall here).

                                      Also, there were plans to reconstruct much of it although the current GE imagery does not show if that happened.


                                      Arad Fort.kml

                                      Gai...

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                                      • MarianM Offline
                                        Marian
                                        last edited by

                                        That's awesome, I didn't know of this one either. It looks intact but overgrown. Maybe I'll do a model of this one too someday.
                                        I couldn't find anything on its reconstruction either so I doubt they did anything. It's the same thing with the Suceava fortress they talk about rebuilding it for more than 20 years. In the 80's it was partially rebuilt. In recent years they keep making projects for European funding 2007- project for 23 million euros, 2009-17 million euros and 2010 14 million. This year...they'll write a project to make it from matchsticks. ๐Ÿ˜’

                                        You can see I'm really iritated with the way things work around here, everything is linked to politics and nothing gets done, or it takes ages.... ๐Ÿ˜ข

                                        Anyway...I found something interesting about Timisoara, unfortunately it's all written in Romanian.
                                        http://art-historia.blogspot.com/2010/04/timisoara-otomana_23.html
                                        http://art-historia.blogspot.com/2010/11/timisoara-austriaca.html
                                        The gist of it is that Timisoara has a rich and tumultous history, being conquered by the Ottomans and remaining Ottoman for 162 years then being conquered by the Austrians.
                                        The important thing in those articles are the reconstructions of the fortresses of those periods.

                                        http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iDRlyfXvxlQ/S9GUfuozLbI/AAAAAAAAERM/FOFFBgCY89w/s400/timisoara+otomana+veduta.jpg

                                        http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iDRlyfXvxlQ/S9GUfAPPhnI/AAAAAAAAEQ8/o_BBR_RcV_s/s400/timisoara+turc+castel.jpg

                                        http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iDRlyfXvxlQ/TNBoXc37atI/AAAAAAAAE5M/MANmuupX2G4/s400/timisoara+afis+mare.jpg

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                                        • GaieusG Offline
                                          Gaieus
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                                          Well, Timisoara (Temesvรกr) was under the longest Turkish rule and indeed it was quite fortified - especially after the Turkish wars at the end of the 17th century. Those images are great however.

                                          It was taken by Soliman the "Magnificent" in 1552 and during his last campaign in 1566 to occupy Szigetvรกr, he died during the siege here, about 30 kms from my place. The pashas kept his death in secret however and the Turks took the castle (and of course, all the defenders were slaughtered as they did not want to give the castle up).

                                          Now it seems that the Turkish government wants to "rent" the castle (for 99 years or what) and they are planning to renovate it and reconstruct it to the state it was in the 16th century.

                                          http://www.ecohun.com/images/szigetvar.jpg

                                          http://www.magyar-varak.hu/grafika/Szigetvar_grafika_1.jpg

                                          The siege in a contemporary depiction:

                                          http://www.mult-kor.hu/attachments/16746/szigetvar2.jpg

                                          Mosque in the castle

                                          http://www.terebess.hu/keletkultinfo/minaret/pics/szigetvar.jpg

                                          The memorial of Zrรญnyi (Zrinski in Croatian as he was partly of Croatian origin), the defender and Soliman

                                          http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2563/4129875941_74bc6db6ef.jpg


                                          The border of a "good" and a "blurry" piece of imagery unfortunately goes through the middle of the castle

                                          Gai...

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                                          • MarianM Offline
                                            Marian
                                            last edited by

                                            It looks very well preserved and yeah that blurry line in GE just ruins it.
                                            That thing about the Turkish government wanting to "rent" the fortress and restore it is an interesting solution. Maybe we should try and "rent" some of our castles to Hungary ๐Ÿ˜„, I mean we share more history with you guys then the Turks do. I can imagine the nationalistic headlines on both sides... ๐Ÿ˜’

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