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  • J Offline
    jason_maranto
    last edited by 13 Oct 2010, 15:51

    My understanding is the Maxwell exporter makes use of the C++ API in Sketchup Pro for mega fast exports to render... Ruby exports can take 10 times longer (or more) for the same scene. Since Maxwell is definitely a "high-end" renderer it seems reasonable to think that the user-base is mostly professionals where time wasted waiting for exports to render would be too costly to tolerate.

    Best,
    Jason.

    I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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      remus
      last edited by 13 Oct 2010, 16:14

      Im pretty sure thats not a pro only feature, can only be a good thing though.

      http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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        jason_maranto
        last edited by 13 Oct 2010, 16:32

        According to what little info I can find on the subject the C++ SDK is a Pro version only feature.

        Best,
        Jason.

        I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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          notareal
          last edited by 13 Oct 2010, 16:42

          @dragoonprogramming said:

          hmmm.
          twighlight refuses to open on my computer so probably not that....
          ill try shaderlight though...
          anyone else?

          I don't recall that twilight itself have particular issues, maybe some other ruby is interfering. If you are on low budget, take a look on Kerkythea (Twilight uses same engine) or maybe luxrender, both are free. Thea Render might also fit in your budget (promotional pricing during beta phase) - it a step upwards with a full studio and interactive rendering.

          Welcome to try [Thea Render](http://www.thearender.com/), Thea support | [kerkythea.net](http://www.kerkythea.net/) -team member

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            jason_maranto
            last edited by 13 Oct 2010, 16:53

            No doubt -- Thea would be my first choice if I wasn't using/couldn't afford Maxwell.

            Best,
            Jason.

            I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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              remus
              last edited by 13 Oct 2010, 17:34

              Doesnt mention anything about being pro-specific here: http://code.google.com/apis/sketchup/docs/downloadsdksubmit.html

              http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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                jason_maranto
                last edited by 13 Oct 2010, 17:39

                Near the bottom here:

                Error 404 (Not Found)!!1

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                (sketchup.google.com)

                Doesn't mention Pro only -- but only mentions Pro... there are a few other links to coding forums that back this up.

                Best,
                Jason.

                I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                  Dragoonprogramming
                  last edited by 14 Oct 2010, 02:29

                  Thanks all!
                  You have all been so helpful!
                  I will be trying out maxwell and shaderlight

                  See Ya

                  Taylor,

                  "...And if he says that one more time i'll punch him right in the throat" - Armstrong and Getty
                  My website http://dragoonprogramming.weebly.com/

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                    fuzzion
                    last edited by 14 Oct 2010, 08:36

                    @dragoonprogramming said:

                    Thanks all!
                    You have all been so helpful!
                    I will be trying out maxwell and shaderlight

                    See Ya

                    Taylor,

                    Why are you wasting your time? Vray is the only choice.

                    "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato

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                      Frederik
                      last edited by 15 Oct 2010, 13:47

                      @fuzzion said:

                      Why are you wasting your time? Vray is the only choice.

                      Glad you've read all posts in this thread... πŸ˜’

                      @dragoonprogramming said:

                      Also my budget is alittle over $100

                      Cheers
                      Kim Frederik

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                        dedmin
                        last edited by 15 Oct 2010, 14:14

                        @unknownuser said:

                        Why are you wasting your time? Vray is the only choice.

                        Vray is the only choice if He lived on the back side of the Moon ... β˜€ 😎

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                          charly2008
                          last edited by 15 Oct 2010, 15:11

                          Hi,

                          Why not try first the free Kerkythea! If you have experience with Kerkythea, you can you still decide otherwise.

                          Charly

                          He who makes no mistakes, makes nothing

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                            Greg Law
                            last edited by 22 Oct 2010, 02:56

                            Have a look at this site.

                            http://www.renderin.com/
                            It is a beta version of a very simple render. Even adds a sky to out door images. Great for doing fast renders. They say it will cost less than $200.00 when released. At the moment it is a Free beta.

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                              minguinhirigue
                              last edited by 22 Oct 2010, 06:53

                              I have said it many time, and will continue there :

                              • kerkythea is the most polyvalent opensource renderer for sketchup as far as I know. Both biased and unbiaised render, many materials, users and renderer fonctions...
                              • the fully intergrated renderers baseed on kerkythea are quite powerfull but not free... (thearender, twillight)
                              • SUPodium is the simplest renderer I ever used, it make easy and good render without headeack (render with "noisy setting" always give beatifull soft shadows whitout complex configurations)

                              Some professionnal soft could be usefull but to expensive I guess :

                              • Artlantis, as it is the only soft I used exploiting all advanced render options of sketchup (fog, sections plans, ratio aspect, animations...)
                              • Vray as it is quite powerfull and fast with it's biaised render, but I never test it
                              • Maxwell as the nicer and the more realistic renderer I have seen, but neither test it

                              Many recent softs are interesting, I never test them, but promising :

                              • Octane render , cheap, with GPU integration, seem really powerfull with realtime render option (If you have good hardware πŸ˜„)
                              • Shaderlight , quite young, but the gallery seem quite good
                              • RenderIn , beta of a fully integrated sketchup renderer, still promising, but I guess you already know it better than me...
                              • renderingkiller , really promising, fast and beatiful render, but still not available...

                              Some are older, but could give really good result :

                              • Indigo render , but always really good results with unbiaised render. I have tested it too years ago, quite good... but I dismiss when it turn from opensource to commercial... I don't like soft which exploit opensource community as beta testing support !
                              • Lightup , fully integratd in Sketchup, with some nice feature like lux analysis and IES ligth, but render aren't the best I have seen...

                              Good luck with this list... πŸ˜„
                              So nowdays, I only use, podium, kerkythea and artlantis, depending on wich computer (home or work) I am and what kind of work I have to do, but I am thinking about testing octane render. You sould have a look to what is the best for your work...

                              And never, forget, renderer didn't do anything. Modeler and postprocessing (people, vegetation, toning, context integration) are essential if your are work on large model (urbanism, architecture)...

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                                notareal
                                last edited by 22 Oct 2010, 08:01

                                @minguinhirigue said:

                                I have said it many time, and will continue there :

                                • kerkythea is the most polyvalent opensource renderer for sketchup as far as I know. Both biased and unbiaised render, many materials, users and renderer fonctions...
                                • the fully intergrated renderers baseed on kerkythea are quite powerfull but not free... (thearender, twillight)

                                A little but important correction. Thea Render is developed by authors of Kerkythea, but it's been build from the scratch (it's not based on Kerkythea engine), Thea Render can import Kerkythea scenes, as it does make a internal one way conversion. Twilight Render is indeed based on Kerkythea ECHO engine, but has fairly streamlined SU integration. Twilight can export Kerkythea XML (can be imported by KT, Thea and some conversion utilities). There is quite a lot different material systems and features if you compare Kerkythea and Thea.

                                Welcome to try [Thea Render](http://www.thearender.com/), Thea support | [kerkythea.net](http://www.kerkythea.net/) -team member

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                                  Gaieus
                                  last edited by 22 Oct 2010, 08:47

                                  AND Kerky is not open source AND Thea is not integrated into SU (like Podium, Twilight or others not on your list) but is a standalone studio just like Kerkythea if we want to stick to the examples.

                                  I rarely like to chime in discussions like this (many reasons - among them one important is that I am not very good at rendering and knowledgeable at many of them) but indeed I would try out some of the "easy" ones that are more or less integrated into SU first.

                                  Then if you want to learn how a more robust, standalone engine works and want to do it before finally deciding, try Kerkythea as it is free and I believe is a blessing for all who want to learn the ways renderers work as you do not have to spend a lot of money just to find out that it's not what you hoped for.

                                  By the time you are more or less proficient in it, you will exactly know what you need and if you want to pay your more serious money on something else, you will have the rounds to decide.

                                  Gai...

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                                    frv
                                    last edited by 22 Oct 2010, 08:50

                                    What kind of images do you think you should be able to do half a year from now ?

                                    Francois

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                                      Gaieus
                                      last edited by 22 Oct 2010, 08:55

                                      It depends on a lot of things. I have been trying (on and off) for years and I am not even a half decent renderer. Then I saw Majid for instance plunging in and n a couple of months he was already a well-known artist with Kerkythea.

                                      Gai...

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                                      • EscapeArtistE Offline
                                        EscapeArtist
                                        last edited by 22 Oct 2010, 14:32

                                        +1 for Kerkythea.

                                        No, it doesn't have the SU integration that many of the other renderers do and it's not as fast as others, but it's free. It's also very powerful and produces great images.

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                                          Vicspa
                                          last edited by 22 Oct 2010, 16:38

                                          @escapeartist said:

                                          +1 for Kerkythea.

                                          No, it doesn't have the SU integration that many of the other renderers do and it's not as fast as others, but it's free. It's also very powerful and produces great images.

                                          πŸ‘ πŸ‘ πŸ‘

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