BP - A hatchet job
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Dear All,
Well, I started this thread because I wanted to canvas opinion, which has been expressed thick and strong. My comments about Bhopal were, to some degree, provocative, and my heartfelt apologies go out to those American people who felt the injustice of corporate America's response to the disaster, and either protested individually or collectively. Very little of that response was reported in the media, and so I was unaware of the extent of the protests. As they say, ignorance is bliss.
The oil spill is a collective problem, involving all those that use and consume oil. Collectively, we can fix this problem (this time), and then try to prevent it from happening again, although I guess that experience shows that this is a foolish hope.
Regards,
Bob -
far apart of the topic, maybe, what we have in front of us is the poisoning of the of the Lands of the Gulf of Mexico, Missisipi
YouTube - BP Oil Spill - Important Information!!!!! Part 1 of 3
[flash=480,385:3bugppv5]http://www.youtube.com/v/5h4JAUCnKYo&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:3bugppv5]http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2010/06/
I cant imagine the reason why Obama does not act but only care about responsability. This is a huge disaster and everyone should be called to help. This a World subject.
I insist about the microbes solution, why is it not taken into consideration ?
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What I have difficulty in understanding is that
- this oil leak is in Americas back yard
- America is the most technically advanced country
- anything America doesn't know about the oil industry probably isn't worth knowing
So why haven't the American government stepped in, used American experts to fix the problem and back charged BP?? Don't they have an underwater "Red Adair"??
Or is it as simple that the American experts haven't got a fix for the problem anyway and are just keeping a low profile.
I see our new PM has a phone discussion scheduled with Obamah tomorrow. Lets hope he doesn't grovel and kiss a**e like his predecessors. Or maybe he should suggest the UK government underwrites the clean-up operation for BP. But as we don't have much money in the bank at the moment we'll get the money by bringing all our troops back from Afghanistan and use these Defence Department savings..... (on balance probably a better use of the money anyway).
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Dear PeterCharles,
Well, as Linea explained (a couple of posts back), about 1/4 of the people working for BP are US nationals. As a large percentage of those will be seasoned oil engineers, then you could say that Americans are already working on the problem. Deep water drilling is just very difficult, and what works at 500 feet, doesn't at 5000 feet. For example, this article on methane hydrates explains why the upside-down funnel didn't work. The problems are not trivial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate
Regards,
Bob -
Solution is at hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU
[flash=853,505:16h83qh1]http://www.youtube.com/v/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU&fs=1[/flash:16h83qh1]
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OMG! IT"S REAL! News footage from JUNE 13! (Yes, tomorrow's date) Pipeline leak in Alaska while well leak in Gulf cannot be stopped. I did a spit-take when I heard about Operation Sombrero!
Here is documentary proof that the entire industry has not learned because they don't have to.
http://www.wimp.com/oilspills/ (Sorry, can't figure out how to embed it. It really is worth your time.)
When they are the most profitable industry in all of human history, they don't want to change and they don't have to -- and they can buy anyone and anything that gets in the way of those profits. (Every crime drama on TV has a mantra: follow the money.)
And yes, how do we get decision makers to even consider microbes? I mean it: How?
Right now, the "authorities" keep deferring to the oil industry "experts". It doesn't matter whether those "experts" are BP or Exxon or WTF, they have proven that they don't learn and have no new ideas and they are going through the same sequence of half-baked ideas that have not worked before and they are only motivated to prove they are trying as hard as they can, not motivated to change their ways.
We need real experts. How do we get them listened to?
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Hi August,
here is the video,
(Jim, the SCF tube does not work for wimp ?
i located in YouTube)YouTube - Rachel Maddow- The more spills change_ the more they stay the same
[flash=480,385:vvkqzctq]http://www.youtube.com/v/GHmhxpQEGPo&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:vvkqzctq]¨¨And yes, how do we get decision makers to even consider microbes ? ¨¨
i think we have to do it, maybe GreenPeace is getting ready.
cheers__________________________________________________________The folk expert, (here is his contact information), is the one of the video of the microbes solution :
J.Brent Tuttle
SpillFighters.com
jbrenttuttle@gmail.com
This is what the guy ask us for :GET THE PRESS TO KNOW
GET BP TO KNOW
GET THE FEDERAL STANDS TO KNOWHe tells in the video, he is open to anyone who asks for.
(someone will claim it is a business?)
I hope not.
thankyou
(maybe my country does not know about it, i´ll make some inquiries)
salud¡ -
Thanks Juan,
I appreciate the help.
It's about moving -- moving forward -- NOW, not blaming. The blame is obvious and cultural and endemic and entrenched and inevitably corrupt and all too american and completely international and business as usual and too long ignored. That is not the issue.
The issue is doing something that has a hope, not just a prayer, of working.
GreenPeace is a good candidate to play hero and ACT. They haven't worried about permission before, this is no time to start. Whatever the bio fallout from the microbes (and the video suggest next to none) it will be easier in the long run than crude oil and dispersants. Microbes have been tested and have had decades to identify any long term consequences. The oil industry solutions have been tested and don't work.
But the downside is that it will show the oil industry as incompetent to clean up their own mass. That is a PR disaster that will last decades and is worth billions to prevent.
You can bet that is being talked about in oil industry CEO conference calls, even if Obama and the new P.M. are not.
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@august said:
OMG! IT"S REAL! News footage from JUNE 13! (Yes, tomorrow's date) Pipeline leak in Alaska while well leak in Gulf cannot be stopped. I did a spit-take when I heard about Operation Sombrero!
Here is documentary proof that the entire industry has not learned because they don't have to. ...
Beatcha to it, look up about 8 posts!
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there is something you American People can do about it, NOW ¡
That folk does not count on us (non American People), yet .
cheers._)http://spillfighters.com/petition/
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@unknownuser said:
I insist about the microbes solution, why is it not taken into consideration ?
it is being taken into consideration.
a little research shows the problem. it's not ready yet. should be another six months or so until it is.
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@escapeartist said:
@august said:
Beatcha to it, look up about 8 posts!
OOPS. My apologies. Yes, indeed, you found it first. In fact, it was your link that got me started.
I was so appalled at the so-called experts not having learned anything in 30 years except to parrot the same, tired, non-solutions (all the experts agree that they are doing everything that all the experts agree are the only things that can be done) that I started sharing it everywhere, including back here (forgetting that I'd found it here in the first place).
Better twice than not at all.
Thanks,
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@juanv.soler said:
... That folk does not count on us (non American People), yet ...
Thanks again Juan,
You may not be able to sign it, but you got me to and I'm passing the link on to others.
"God willing, we will prevail, through the purity and essence of our natural fluids." -- Gen. J.D. Ripper's last communique to the assembled Joint Chiefs in "Dr. Strangelove"
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I just found this at
http://spillfighters.com/2010/06/bioremediation-makes-the-news-finally/
"June 7th, 2010
"The Gulf Oil Spill Bioremediation Industry Alliance has just been formed.
"In summary, this alliance brings the top bioremediation companies and their scientists together for the purpose of using microbes on the entire Spill. They are in the process of creating an implementation plan (for release this week) that focuses the expertise of each company on either the beach, water (shallow and deep) or wetlands depending on their historical success with a particular topography. If adopted, they will focus first on the areas where there is oil present on the beach or marshlands, then apply to the water near land, then work on the oil in the middle of the Gulf both on the surface and at various depths below. They have the production capacity to quickly ramp up to provide the “googol’s” worth of microbes to do the entire Gulf of Mexico.
"From a draft version of the Alliance agreement, it is clear that all members have agreed to work with each other in harmony and put their competitive differences aside to get the entire Spill remediated."
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@august said:
@juanv.soler said:
... That folk does not count on us (non American People), yet ...
Thanks again Juan,
You may not be able to sign it, but you got me to and I'm passing the link on to others.
"God willing, we will prevail, through the purity and essence of our natural fluids." -- Gen. J.D. Ripper's last communique to the assembled Joint Chiefs in "Dr. Strangelove"
for what point?
the tech is at least Six Months from being close to use. it's only just in the Prototype phase. and that's after trials on the Exxon Spill.
even then, it's not the Magic Fix ppl think it is. bacteria is already out there in the wild. eating oil already... all this is trying to add a strain that eats faster.. which has not worked that well in the past.
it's time to face some facts.
there is no quick fix for this. the clean up will last decades. the best methods will be basically collecting the oil and contaminated earth/sand and then decontaminating it, by digger, truck and whatever else can be used. wildlife is going to die and possibly made extinct. there's no way round this, no way to fix it fast and the worst is yet to come. -
@petercharles said:
What I have difficulty in understanding is that
- this oil leak is in Americas back yard
- America is the most technically advanced country
- anything America doesn't know about the oil industry probably isn't worth knowing
So why haven't the American government stepped in, used American experts to fix the problem and back charged BP?? Don't they have an underwater "Red Adair"??
Or is it as simple that the American experts haven't got a fix for the problem anyway and are just keeping a low profile.
it shouldn't be that difficult to understand.. the only known and reliable solution is already happening and it has been for a while now.
drilling the relief well takes a few months though.humans are relative retards when it comes to undersea stuff.. this one is pretty damn deep too.
i think the real solution (besides not drilling in the first place) should have been a preventative one via some sort of shut off valve or something.. [obvious]too late for that[/obvious]
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I am happy to know that the Gulf Oil Spill Bioremediation Industry Alliance has just been formed.
step forward ¡thanks August
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I am currently watching the US Congress' grilling of Tony Haywood. During the questioning, someone (I think it was the representative for Florida) questioned BP's estimate of probability for failure (give as 1 in 100,000 to 1 in 1,000,000). The most technologically advanced launch vehicle ever build (by the Americans) proved to have a 1 in 25 failure rate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Commission_Report
Deep water drilling, like manned space flight, is technically difficult and will ultimately fail. We want/need the oil, so we take the risk.
Just trying to get things into perspective.
Regards,
Bob -
forget the congressional crap, that's just 'peacocking', toothless crap mean't only for votes.
They call it 'politics' here in the states.
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It's really, really hard to not get upset at the Congressional crap.
@unknownuser said:
When BP CEO Tony Hayward testified before Congress this morning, many expected to hear him apologize for the disaster his company has caused. Instead, GOP Congressman Joe Barton was the one saying he was sorry -- to BP.
In his opening statement, Barton, the top Republican on the committee overseeing the oil spill and its aftermath, delivered a personal apology to the oil giant. He said the $20 billion fund that President Obama directed BP to establish to provide relief to the victims of the oil disaster was a "tragedy in the first proportion."
Other Republicans are echoing his call. Sen. John Cornyn said he "shares" Barton's concern. Rep. Michele Bachmann said that BP shouldn't agree to be "fleeced." Rush Limbaugh called it a "bailout." The Republican Study Committee, with its 114 members in the House, called it a "shakedown."
It leaves me with one question: do these people have any soul left to sell?
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