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    jeff hammond
    last edited by 19 Nov 2009, 23:25

    ok, so this is new to me..
    osx colorpicker can have plugins..
    here's a couple of screenshots from some that i've installed..

    HexColorPicker (self explanatory .. also note the additional choices i now have..next to the crayons etc)

    screen 1.jpg

    Mondrianum (same thing as this recent scf post except you do the browsing directly in your material dialogue! even browse coverflow style if you want)

    screen 2.jpg

    now, for some reason, sketchup is actually denying access to one of the standard options (Color Palettes) which is where the list view is possible.. in it's place is 'SketchUpColorPicker' which uses the brick icon.. google could definitely make their picker as it's own thing but then it would be system wide and work in every app.. maybe they don't want that but jeez, can't they replace a different choice like 'image palette' because we could still sample colors off an image opened in preview if needed..

    so really, what's the best way to bring this to google's attention? gaieus, don't you have some sort of secret handshake with these guys or something? πŸ’š

    otherwise, at the original post, i don't think a SU ruby solution is the best way to go.. getting a simple list view with collections etc should be very easy to write by someone that's already familiar with the colorpicker.. find them and ask for a little plugin:D

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      thomthom
      last edited by 19 Nov 2009, 23:32

      You can make plugins for the colour picked on OSX? does that also work on 10.4? What language is used to write these?

      Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
      List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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        jeff hammond
        last edited by 19 Nov 2009, 23:46

        @thomthom said:

        You can make plugins for the colour picked on OSX? does that also work on 10.4? What language is used to write these?

        ha, i don't have a clue about the language but yeah, it works on tiger & jaguar too..
        here's a bit of info:
        http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/DrawColor/Tasks/AddingColorPickers.html

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          frv
          last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 00:17

          Hi Jeff,
          tx for your info on the colorpicker. It seems a solution is near.

          I also saw this that might help to solve this problem.
          http://www.tangerine.net.au/

          With interactive colorpicker I just meant that you have to be able to use the list for asigning materials.

          Actually I am not very interested in color or texture images in the rb or plugin or even colorpicker. Just the names and the use of them in the workflow of asigning and checking assigments of materials. I don't need images with the materials as I do not need them for layers either. I want to see white 01 and white 02 for example. If you can see images of the materials all the better of course but I have no need for it, neither have others I think when modeling.

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            jeff hammond
            last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 00:36

            @frv said:

            I don't need images with the materials as I do not need them for layers either. I want to see white 01 and white 02 for example. If you can see images of the materials all the better of course but I have no need for it, neither have others I think when modeling.

            i think with all the other stuff i've been typing here, i'm not getting this part across.. exactly what you want is already standard in the osx color picker.. it's just that sketchup disables it..

            making this type of list is possible in every app except for sketchup:

            screen 4.jpg

            somewhere along the lines, someone at @last or google made a conscious decision to disable this while in sketchup.. that mistake needs rectified asap.

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              thomthom
              last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 07:31

              @unknownuser said:

              i think with all the other stuff i've been typing here, i'm not getting this part across

              @unknownuser said:

              somewhere along the lines, someone at @last or google made a conscious decision to disable this while in sketchup.. that mistake needs rectified asap.

              That's the thing - he's looking for another solution until Google addresses this.

              Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
              List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                thomthom
                last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 07:32

                @frv said:

                With interactive colorpicker I just meant that you have to be able to use the list for asigning materials.

                You're thinking of some other method other than clicking the item and it will activate the Paint Bucket?

                Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                  frv
                  last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 11:13

                  Jeff, you are exactly right.
                  Also Thomthom you are right as well. As long as this issue is not solved by Google a plugin with some kind of functionality as the material panel has but then with named materials would be great.

                  Google will not address this issue since I have been asking them for years now. Google addresses issues for beginners, not for the advanced users.

                  I am waiting for some Chinese or American of whatver group of people who are looking at Google's work lately and come up with the idea to develop SketchCAD. A crossover from Sketchup to Revit. A kind of Sketchup with tools for for the busy modeller in architecture. @LAst had a vision were modelling would be done in such a way that you can actually see what is happening real time. In Vectorworks and Revit and I assume in most other modelers you are still in wireframe mode and have to update a perspective view to see a little of what is going on. You do not have to be Steve Jobs to see the market for SketchCAD.

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                    thomthom
                    last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 11:17

                    I for one wants a listview with material preview on PC - so I see a need on both platforms given the status quo.

                    Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                      frv
                      last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 11:49

                      I thought a sorted list with names was already in SU on PC's ?

                      Anyhow, Your plugins are great as I use them already, hope you can sort it out for us all
                      TX in advance

                      Francois

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                        thomthom
                        last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 12:05

                        @frv said:

                        I thought a sorted list with names was already in SU on PC's ?

                        Anyhow, Your plugins are great as I use them already, hope you can sort it out for us all
                        TX in advance

                        Francois

                        Yes - but only in pure text. A little colour indication next to the name would help greatly to locate the right name in a long list.

                        Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                          frv
                          last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 12:09

                          Is thee any way to get into contact with the people who nowadays "maintain" Google Sketchup. I don't think much development is still going on but I assume there are still a few guys sort of keeping Sketchup going for OS's pdates . If I knew how to reach the Google Sketchup maintance guy or girl I would let her or him texture my models for a week under OSX.

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                            thomthom
                            last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 12:29

                            @frv said:

                            Is thee any way to get into contact with the people who nowadays "maintain" Google Sketchup. I don't think much development is still going on but I assume there are still a few guys sort of keeping Sketchup going for OS's pdates .

                            You have noticed SU 7.0 nad 7.1, right? They did a great deal of work to make it work faster. It is in very much active development.

                            The Bugs and Feature section of this forum is often read by the developers and support team. You will see their replies in there to some of it.

                            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                              frv
                              last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 15:10

                              I will post a link to the bug section as well to this thread.

                              I have looked at MXMreporter again and it does actually almost gets the job done. For exporting to Maxwell you really need this rb. With MXM reporter Maxwel v2 works rather well.

                              A great ruby as MXMreporter is it would need a little fashion makeover to work well with SU for most users. The window is too big and could be slimmed down in a more SU style.

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                                bjanzen
                                last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 17:38

                                I posted at http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=23769&p=202493#p202493 because I don't normally read this forum much. Workaround uses "defaults write com.google.sketchuppro7 NSInitialToolTipDelay" and some number, but please read the whole post. I'll read some of this and see if I like any of the solutions listed.

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                                  bjanzen
                                  last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 17:46

                                  frv - we still work on SketchUp, but we (a) consider ourselves the illiterati, and can't read or write well, (b) have no interest in texturizing your models for you because we're sure we'd do it in some fashion that would not make you happy, and (c) are totally lacking in any sense of humor or any understanding of sarcasm, which leads people to think we're suffering from Alzheimer's (see http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gs7pisYOVSybMpOXqK3CaW7KoXgA ).

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                                    jeff hammond
                                    last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 17:48

                                    haha

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                                      jeff hammond
                                      last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 18:13

                                      @unknownuser said:

                                      ...now, for some reason, sketchup is actually denying access to one of the standard options (Color Palettes) which is where the list view is possible.. in it's place is 'SketchUpColorPicker' which uses the brick icon.. google could definitely make their picker as it's own thing but then it would be system wide and work in every app.. maybe they don't want that but jeez, can't they replace a different choice like 'image palette' because we could still sample colors off an image opened in preview if needed..

                                      so i see one problem google might be up against here.. they actually have to make sure their ColorPicker won't work system wide because of all the .skm files which will crash everything except sketchup..
                                      whatever though, this stuff is so easy and fast to fix (well, at least from the perspective of a non-programmer such as myself πŸ’š )

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                                        bjanzen
                                        last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 19:26

                                        Yea, that's the issue. We're using something that's close, but not quite, and so we have to worry about how we do this. I don't think it's easy, and you have to worry about fitting in on the platform - most of Apple's palettes don't have text, either. So how does speeding up the tool tips work for you as a workaround for now?

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                                          jeff hammond
                                          last edited by 20 Nov 2009, 20:00

                                          well, the tool tip speed up works OK but it then makes all the toolbar tooltips pop up faster.
                                          (and actually, if the material browser does get changed eventually, i foresee myself using the terminal method you described to actually slow down the toolbar tips.. i use SU a lot so i learn the new icons rather quickly. the only time i rely on tooltips anymore is if i install a new ruby with a toolbar)

                                          do you know of a way to make the standard 'Color Palettes' option still appear while using sketchup? I wouldn't necessarily suggest making that happen with a fresh install of sketchup because it will probably lead to some confusion (two separate list drop down choices etc.)..

                                          actually, stop that train of thought -- i guess even then, it would only work with straight up colors and imported jpg textures or .skm textures wouldn't work in the 'color palettes' window?

                                          then, the idea of just making the SketchUpColorPicker function exactly like the Color Palettes version seems great to me but if i think about the 'Brick & Cladding' list, it will have 80 rows of materials with their names listed beside them whereas right now in SU, the 'brick&cladding' list appears relatively compact at only 11rows x 7 columns (if i stretch the window to max size)..

                                          personally, that would be awesome to me but if i try to think about all users, most might say "now wtf did that do that for?!.. i'm scrolling forever to get to that recycled plastic material!!.."

                                          so obviously, i don't have a great idea for a solution that 1) won't break the system wide colorpicker & 2) will work well for all users.. that solution is obtainable i'm sure but i also can imagine the zillion other requests for changes you must come across..

                                          [Edit] actually, having it work as it does now but add the option for a list view would pretty much be perfect.. (ie see all the materials in a compact rows/columns form -or- show them all in one column with the names next to them (and editable)

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