Tools on surface not working

kayjay · 9 Jul 2009, 20:05

Hi, All

I have installed "Tools On Surface 1.3" and love the ruby, except for one thing - the protractor. I only see it with the sector tool. It does not show at all with the circles by 3 points tool or the parallelogram tool. I've tried toggling it on and off (F7) with no luck and have uninstalled and reinstalled it several times. Any ideas?

KJ

fredo6 · 10 Jul 2009, 10:16

F7 is the short cut, but you can also activate it from the contextual menu.
It might be that F7 is assigned to another shortcut.

Fredo

kayjay · 10 Jul 2009, 13:05

I tried that as well, but no luck...
KJ

kayjay · 10 Jul 2009, 23:46

Through trial and error throughout the day, I've found that even though F7 is set as the shortcut for the protractor, when using TOS, I see it only with the sector tool. When I use the parallelogram or 3 part circle, it doesn't matter if the context menu shows it on or off, it isn't visible. If I press F7, it actually kicks me out of TOS and shows only the protractor with no TOS tools active. When I click on the applicable TOS tool, the protractor goes back into hiding. Has anyone else had this happen?

KJ

fredo6 · 11 Jul 2009, 11:13

Can you activate the protractor with the Line tool?
Also, what do you mean by "If I press F7, it actually kicks me out of TOS and shows only the protractor with no TOS tools active".

Note: with or without the protractor, you can always type an angle in degree followed by 'd' in the VCB.

Fredo

kayjay · 11 Jul 2009, 13:41

Hi, Fredo
I just tried to activate it while the TOS line tool was active and it works, but still no luck with parallelograms and 3 pt circles.

kj

fredo6 · 11 Jul 2009, 14:09

I really don't know where it can come from!! For line, sector and other shapes, it is the same code underneath.
No other user seems to have the problem apparently.

When you draw a parallelogram, could you type on Arrow left or right, with the protractor on in the contextual menu (Arrows just orient the default plan if you draw in the empty space).

Fredo

PS: If you have the chance to have another PC, did you try to see if it works.

Matt666 · 11 Jul 2009, 15:03

Perhaps a problem with another plugin, that uses same code name.
If you want move all scripts in the plugin folder and just let TOS plugin, what's happening?

fredo6 · 11 Jul 2009, 15:56

KJ,
Just in case, could you check if you don't have old ruby files (*onsurface.rb) in the Sketchup Plugins folder.
For version 1.3, the foot print should be

ZLoader_OnSurface.rb is dated 14 Jul 2008

kayjay · 11 Jul 2009, 16:29

I think the computer gremlin is winning...I removed all files except for the ones you listed (thank you so much for that - I found a couple that I hadn't moved!). Still no protractor with the 3 part circles, but it pops up just fine for the other tools.

In the TOS_Dir_13 folder, I have:
EraserOnSurface (RBFile)
FreehandOnSurface (RBFile)
LibOnSurface (RBFile)
LibTraductor_20 (RBFile)
LineOnSurface (RBFile)
LoaderOnSurface (RBFile)
OffsetOnSurface (RBFile)
PolylineOnSurface (RBFile)
ShapeOnSurface (RBFile)
ToolsOnSurface (Export Definition File, opens with Microsoft Visual Studio)
Quickcard ToolsOnSurface - English - v1.3 - 12 Jul 08 (PDF, Adobe)
Quickcard ToolsOnSurface - French - v1.3 - 12 Jul 08 (PDF, Adobe)

Followed by the icons, which are Microsoft Picture It! documents and open with Picture It! 7.0

Can you think of anything else to try?

KJ

fredo6 · 11 Jul 2009, 17:16

@kayjay said:

I think the computer gremlin is winning...I removed all files except for the ones you listed (thank you so much for that - I found a couple that I hadn't moved!). Still no protractor with the 3 part circles, but it pops up just fine for the other tools.
KJ

Can you confirm you know get the protractor working fine (via F7 and contextual menu) for all tools, except the 3-Point circle

For 3P-Circle, this is strange, because it is the same code being used (in ShapeOnSurface.rb).

Fred

PS: by the way, when laucnhing any tool on surface the first time, you should have had a message box telling you old files were still present. Did you get it?

kayjay · 11 Jul 2009, 18:40

I went through each tool with both the original toolbar and Cad Father's. The differences this time around are that I no longer get the protractor for the parallelograms with either toolbar and that when I was going the tools on both toolbars to check context menus and the F7 key, I noticed this time around that each time I used a tool for the first time, the Protractor wasn't listed - this hasn't happened before, even the very first time I installed the ruby. I hit F7 with each tool as I used it, and then the protractor was in the context menu box. I could turn it on and off from either the context menu box or the F7 key

I do get a protractor with: line,sector

I don't get a protractor for: rectangle, circle, polygon, ellipse, parallelogram(this is new also), arc, 3 part circle, and freehand

I also noticed that the drop down menu for the "Tools" menu had listed TOS as "Surface Operations" for the last day or 2. Don't ask me how this happened, but it magically changed itself back to "Tools On Surface", within the last 10 minutes.

I didn't get any "old files are still present" message with any of the uninstall/reinstall/restart SketchUp cycles over the last week or so. Do you see something I should delete?

I have the original toolbar in use now - should I change it?

I am so sorry to take up your whole day, but I REALLY appreciate your help. I love the program!

KJ

fredo6 · 11 Jul 2009, 19:05

The toolbar icons have no influence on the code.
But apparently, you seem to have problems with the installation.
I would suggest you reinstall. Make sure that after opening the Zip file you do a SELECT ALL, then EXTRACT to the Sketchup Plugins folder, then Answer YES to all prompts for overwriting files.

Fredo

PS: Not all tools can have a protractor (as it is just a visual help for tools where you can enter an angle): Ellipse, Arcs and Rectangle don't have one. Check out the contextual menu to see if and when the option is available

kayjay · 11 Jul 2009, 21:25

I think this particular battle goes to the gremlin!
After I read this,

@unknownuser said:

I would suggest you reinstall. Make sure that after opening the Zip file you do a SELECT ALL, then EXTRACT to the Sketchup Plugins folder, then Answer YES to all prompts for overwriting files.

I followed your directions and reinstalled using the "Classic WinZip" interface instead of the WinZip Wizard that my computer runs. Opened Sketchup and still no protractor where it is supposed to be when it's turned on with the context menu. I completely uninstalled and then reinstalled ToolsOnSurface_v12.zip, making sure to overwrite existing folders, just to see what would happen when I installedled ToolsOnSurface_131.zip,over it. Again, I made sure to overwrite existing folders. When I opened SketchUp this time, I got the message about old files that could be deleted, so I carefully deleted only those listed. And...I still only have the protractor with the Sector tool! %^p

Fredo, you have been wonderful about all of this. I greatly appreciate you working on this as hard as you did. If the mystery ever gets solved on my end, I'll let you know what it was, though I think it will always be one of those great mysteries in life...right up there with "if 2 socks went into the dryer and only 1 came out, then what happened..."

Enjoy the rest of the weekend!

KJ

kayjay · 13 Jul 2009, 21:12

I may have found part of the problem. I went through each tool and checked out everything in each context menu and it looks like my computer has something backwards or scrambled. This is a long and a bit confusing, but here goes:

When “Group” and “Mark With Construction Points” are being used, it says [GROUP] [CPOINT] by the "Show Instructor" button. When they are not being used, nothing is shown on the bottom.

"Trigonometric sense" will say yes or no. It is the only one that does that shows both on my computer

All others are the opposite and show nothing when they ARE in use, and show [NO…. when NOT in use].

These tools: Rectangle, Polygon, Circle, Ellipse, Parallelograms, 3 Part Circle, and Arc - all have the same discrepancy with their context menus.

With context menu item “Generate Faces”, the context menu shows:
Generate Faces (current=Yes) -->F8
The bottom shows: [GEN. NO FACES] and nofaces are generated.
*******I know that an arc can’t have a face because it isn’t a closed loop, but I thought I’d mention the discrepancy

When the context menu shows:
Generate Faces (current=No) -->F8
There is nothing about faces listed on the bottom and faces are generated.

With context menu item “Generate Curves”, the context menu shows:
Generate Curves (current=Yes) -->F8
The bottom shows:[NO CURVES]

When the context menu shows:
Generate Curves (current=No) -->F9
There is nothing about curves listed on the bottom.

I don’t know what “Generate Curves” actually does, so I can't tell if it is working or not, but I'm assuming that when the context menu says "no" it really means yes, as with the other tools.

The protractor only works with the Line and Sector tools
It does, however, show in context menus of all tools, whether they are supposed to have it or not.

There isn't anything about it by the instructor button whether it’s on or off, even with the tools it does work with. Has anyone had any problems like these?

KJ