1918 Spanish Flu resurrected?
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Yes, Jackson. I was implying that perhaps a test animal had escaped from the lab and scientists decided to remain silent about the leak. I have to stop watching so many movies.
As has been pointed out, this "virus formerly known as swine flu but now known as Influenza A(H1N1)" seems to be as deadly as any other regular flu, so my theory has been proved wrong. And I'm glad it was. Starting yesterday, I am greeting people with a handshake again. But I still carry an alcohol-based hand rub when going to meetings.
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Don't you have something better to do with alcohol than waste it on germs?
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They removed the alcohol-based hand rubs from our local hospital, because too many people were drinking it.
All the drunks in Emergency on a Saturday night, looking for a hair of the dog. -
On 8th of April, a journalist, Jane Bürgermeister has filed criminal charges in Austria against Baxter and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology for producing and distributing contaminated bird flu vaccine material this winter, alleging that this was a deliberate act to cause a pandemic, and also to profit from that pandemic.
In her report she also mentions 'bioterrorism incident in Switzerland in April when a “faultily” packed container with vials of “swine flu”'.
She has been fired on July 1st.
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This flu thread has been resurrected!
I can't tell if you are serious about posting that site as a valid source of information or as a joke. With all due respect, the writer accusing the WHO of being a party in a conspiracy, along with other pharmaceutical companies and authorities plotting for or allowing this to happen, is a little far fetched - fit for conspiracy theorists. While I have no love of "Big Pharma" and other health care institutions in the US especially thanks to their happiness to take everything you own in exchange for your ability to continue living, I sincerely doubt they would conspire to do this.
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I thought it had died down. However I see that we (Irish), all 4 million of us are to receive jabs in a few months at a cost of €80 million! Worst forecast is that we could otherwise see 100,000 cases of this flu every week!
I am waiting to see the mobile bubble filter suits coming on stream soon, if they are not there already
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@mike lucey said:
I thought it had died down. However I see that we (Irish), all 4 million of us are to receive jabs in a few months at a cost of €80 million! Worst forecast is that we could otherwise see 100,000 cases of this flu every week!
I am waiting to see the mobile bubble filter suits coming on stream soon, if they are not there already
Unfortunately, it hasn't died down. My wife currently has it, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and come down with it myself. She works as a flight attendant, so you know she likely got it from someone on the aircraft crammed in with the other passengers who was sick as well traveling about the country. It's like a bad cold with a moderate fever, and the fever lasts a day or two. The cold-like symptoms have lasted 5 days so far and now she's been unfortunately blessed with mild/moderate ahem digestive issues as well. Not fun - not truly serious (hopefully) - but not fun. Hope nobody here gets it, or at least doesn't get it any worse than that.
@unknownuser said:
1918 pandemic was only a precedential, pointing for pandemic that will occur during Tribulation period, when 25% of the entire global population will die.
Black Death (1348/1350) was predicted for ‘the church in purple’, (practicaly, Roman Empire – study, the spread map)
Is evidently from the Bible that God is in control inclusiv over epidemic or pandemic catastrophes. There are mani examples…, but you don’t like verses to be mentioned, do you?!
Cornel
Sir, with all due respect, this is not your personal pulpit. There are many belief systems present on this discussion board that don't need to read your internet rendition of a sandwich-board pamphlet-flinging street corner proselytizer, including myself. I value and welcome your input in a discussion and respect your beliefs, but you don't discuss, you judge and condemn; this is turning into crazy evangelical spam.
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EscapeArtist wrote about me:
“... you judge and condemn; this is turning into crazy evangelical spam.”Rather I’m surveying The Bible, the History, the Science, a.s.o.
Cornel
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%(#0000FF)[From Wikipedia:
“The global mortality rate from the 1918/1919 pandemic is not known, but it is estimated that 10% to 20% of those who were infected died. With about a third of the world population infected, this case-fatality ratio means that 3% to 6% of the entire global population died. …. This pandemic has been described as ‘the greatest medical holocaust in history’ and may have killed more people than the Black Death.”]1918 pandemic was only a precedential, pointing for pandemic that will occur during Tribulation period, when 25% of the entire global population will die.
Black Death (1348/1350) was predicted for ‘the church in purple’, (practicaly, Roman Empire – study the spread map!)
It's evident from the Bible that God is in control inclusiv over epidemic or pandemic catastrophes. There are mani examples..., but you don’t like verses to be mentioned, do you?!
Cornel
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Oh my Lord! Here we go again.
I was watching some nonsense on Nostradamus last week. Looked at objectively, it amounts to someone saying (in words so vague that they could mean anything) “Bad things will happen.”…..and when (surprise, surprise) they do, we then get told “See! I told you so.”
One so-called ‘expert’ even went on about the 3 global catastrophes that will supposedly engulf mankind. He said the first two were the 1st and 2nd World wars, but that we didn’t know what the 3rd one would be until it happened.
That takes the absurd to new levels of absurdity…..retrospective prophesy. I wish they allowed that at the bookmakers, or on the Stock Market. -
Cornel, you are on mission, right. You have instruction from God to preach. So what ever the theme you will find your angle. The more people argue with you the better for you as you need to do God's work here. I mean when I have the guys like you preaching in town centre or knocking on my door I can avoid them , but with you there is no choice. I really was trying not get involved with this but it getting now to the point of being over the top. I welcome your pont of view but could you please drop autoqutation and have a bit of normal conversation.
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@unknownuser said:
It's evident from the Bible that God is in control inclusiv over epidemic or pandemic catastrophes. There are mani examples..., but you don’t like verses to be mentioned, do you?!
Quite a charming guy he must be, your god.
So he controls epidemic and pandemic catastrophes, killing thousands (millions?) of people on his way......but he 'loves' us!
I rather worship the sun. The sun doesn't judge nor punish. Instead it provides all things needed.
No need to say prayers to the sun either. I don't like asking and demanding things in prayers. You don't do that to a friend, it might jeopardise the friendship.
Why would you want to pray ? Everything that happens is god's will any way and part of a divine plan. So if your prayers aren't answered, this is because god wants it like that. So why bother praying in the first place?
Instead, I rather adress my prayers to Joe Pesci.He seems to be a guy who can get things done. He answers my prayers in about 50% of the cases...... just like god. -
@alan fraser said:
Your clip goes to a 403: Error page, but there are links on that page. Which one did you have in mind?
EDIT: Nevermind, I saw it on the address bar. For some reason that site doesn't like direct linking.
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Strange. Works fine for me on both desktop and laptop.
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@escapeartist said:
EDIT: Nevermind, I saw it on the address bar. For some reason that site doesn't like direct linking.
Actually, a fair enough policy against bandwith abuse (and even content theft - to a certain extent).
@alan fraser said:
Strange. Works fine for me on both desktop and laptop.
Then it's even clever somehow - maybe it "decides" by location?
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..or maybe it's just running off my cache. But we digress.
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@escapeartist said:
I can't tell if you are serious about posting that site as a valid source of information or as a joke.
I thought she must have been serious, deciding to file the case. It is her official blog. I have posted it because it relates strictly to the topic of this thread. We are all being fed with half-truths or worse. It simply surprised me that she decided to go this road.
@mike lucey said:
I see that we (Irish), all 4 million of us are to receive jabs in a few months at a cost of €80 million!
Don't tell me that it will be obligatory!
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Yeah Tomasz, this is what was mentioned on the TV a couple of nights ago. Heck I have no problem with the jab if it softens the effects of this flu.
EA, hope your wife gets better soon. Give her our kiond regards and tell her that we will try and encourage Cornell to say a few prayers for her quick recovery, should work as he appears to be well connected
Mike
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To go back a step or two...
'God' [supposedly] gave 'us' [mankind] something called 'free-will' that lets us make whatever mess of things that we can dream up...
That's the whole idea of 'free-will' - we each make our choices, so it's our fault individually and jointly when it's not as good as it might have been...
If God intervenes then isn't that a total disregard for this 'first rule' ?... If God either helps us [e.g. you pray and something is changed (if you are 'chosen' or not if you are 'tested')]... or God hinders us [e.g. sends a plague or a disaster (again the chosen ones might be spared or 'tested')]... then it's clearly an unfair advantage or trick that we shouldn't tolerate...
God is good. Few would argue with that ?
If God set this whole thing running, with 'free-will' etc, then we might suppose that that's should be good too...
The whole idea of 'free-will' is that's it's 'free'... God shouldn't interfere once it's been set running...God stepping in at any point is really an unacceptable interference with our 'given' right to mess up as we see fit, in accordance with our own (perhaps incredibly stupid) ideas...
At the very 'end' when God judges you, that's perhaps a different matter - if you haven't make a good fist of what you were given then that's potentially your problem...
However, [in closing] this also seems a bit unfair - God is 'all knowing' [that's a given], God decided to give us 'free-will' in the first place [we didn't ask for it], God must have known the ultimate outcome of that decision [or at least that it could be catastrophic - given that he 'designed' us and our internal mental processing, now proven to be predisposed to being at least 'difficult' in its results ! ]...
So... now, at the very 'end', when [rather than 'if' (since it seems to be part of our 'design')] we have messed-up we seem to get 'punished' [various methods are mooted]... when the guy who initially set all of this up and then in motion [i.e. God] gets off 'free as a bird' - he's sad about it but it's us who suffer...
Somehow, perversely it's our fault, not God's, when it's been God's whole idea that turns out to be rubbish ??????
Nature v Nurture... same difference...
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