Materials Reappearing

boofredlay · 24 May 2009, 20:31

Nope, if I open the backup I get the same thing.
What is odd is that I uploaded a file and Gai is not getting the extra materials, only me. So something on my end is going loco.

I ran CCleaner and Defragler then restarted. Still not working right.
And again, it is happening on all the files I have tried, not just the one I uploaded here.

jcdb · 24 May 2009, 20:35

thomthom · 24 May 2009, 20:41

@unknownuser said:

Nope, if I open the backup I get the same thing.
What is odd is that I uploaded a file and Gai is not getting the extra materials, only me. So something on my end is going loco.

I ran CCleaner and Defragler then restarted. Still not working right.
And again, it is happening on all the files I have tried, not just the one I uploaded here.

What is you temporarily disable all plugins? (Rename the plugins folder might work?)

boofredlay · 24 May 2009, 20:56

And screw up all my toolbars.... last resort maybe
I am thinking a reinstall will do the trick.
I have to finish working on a few models first so I don't think I will do that for a few days.

Grrr, this is odd.

Gaieus · 24 May 2009, 21:15

@thomthom said:

What is you temporarily disable all plugins?

@unknownuser said:

And screw up all my toolbars....

Chris Fullmer · 25 May 2009, 00:13

@unknownuser said:

And screw up all my toolbars

You can fix your toolbars by un-maximizing SU. Then drag the edges of the window out so its as big as fully expanded window, then re-maximize it. You might have to fix your toolbars, but it should then stay good when you load new plugins in the future.

This is all in theory. I've seen it work on my machine, and others tried it and it worked for them, but i'd feel bad if it didn't work for you. But I'd love to know the results if you do test it.

Chris

PS I'm also going to play with the file and see if I see anythin (not likely).

Chris Fullmer · 25 May 2009, 00:17

yeah, I quicly found that I see nothing.

What happens if you download the model from here and open it?

boofredlay · 25 May 2009, 00:28

@chris fullmer said:

What happens if you download the model from here and open it?

Same thing. I have 8 non-used un-purged materials.

You know that sound you hear when the hair on the back of your neck starts to stand on end...

thomthom · 25 May 2009, 06:20

About this time we called Ghostbusters?

remus · 25 May 2009, 06:31

My bets on a plugin adding the materials each time you open the model...

Gaieus · 25 May 2009, 09:33

What would happen, Eric, if you renamed the file before opening it again?

Anssi · 25 May 2009, 11:41

Boo,

I don't think the SU materials (not on a SU machine right now) have those numbers in their names. Are you using (or recently added) a rendering plugin? I could imagine those messing around with materials as they have their own parameters to add. Don't they use some kind of "xdata" to store just things like that?

Anssi

driven · 25 May 2009, 14:01

Hi,

May not be related, but I've found (although I can't find) a hidden section cut artifact in one drawing that always appears if I try to zoom in to edit, either component (which are on separate layers) and sometimes from particular point of view editing or not.

On one occasion I managed to reveal the actual cut plane by drawing a cylinder up from origin and recognised the cut as a transitional view between two scenes in a recent, but completely unrelated drawing. I've been trying to replicate for a screen capture, but can't... yet.

I have established it's only in this drawing, the components are fine if I put them in a new drawing. so I could just delete this one completely
except, if it could be toggled it might be a handy editing tool... maybe

I don't know where else to post this???

john

boofredlay · 25 May 2009, 14:07

John, that is a common occurrence called clipping plane.
Read about troubleshooting here:
http://sketchup.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=36261&topic=9042
And it would be best next time to start a new thread instead

@gaieus said:

What would happen, Eric, if you renamed the file before opening it again?

Nice thought but that did not work.

@anssi said:

Boo,

I don't think the SU materials (not on a SU machine right now) have those numbers in their names. Are you using (or recently added) a rendering plugin? I could imagine those messing around with materials as they have their own parameters to add. Don't they use some kind of "xdata" to store just things like that?

Anssi

Good thinking but I have had that set of colors for quite a while and they have always had the numbers next to them. They are named exactly the same in SU6 as well.

The most recent rendering plugin I installed was Vray and that was months ago, this problem just started. And like I mentioned before I have not added any new plugins that correlate with the problem's time frame. I did remove the last few plugins I installed just to see and it still had no effect.

And this is not localized to just this file, it seems to be happening on any file I purge materials in SU7.
For example, if I purge 3 green materials in one file, save then re-open I get 3 green materials back. If I purge 10 brick materials in another file, save then re-open I get 10 brick materials again.

boofredlay · 25 May 2009, 14:13

Well snot, I just did a test with a file I created back in 08 and did not get this problem.
It may be that while I had a session of SU7 open it was corrupting files as I opened them???

I will have to do some more investigation...

alpro · 25 May 2009, 14:16

Just a shot in the dark, I don't use SU7 but I know you can link to a photo editor, did you make any recent changes there, maybe some paths got crossed or corrupted and its actually your photo editor thats reloading your textures, nevermind I dont think that would affect standard SU materials.

Mike

alpro · 29 May 2009, 23:55

Boo, did you ever get this straigtened out?

boofredlay · 31 May 2009, 02:21

Nope, I have not been around my home computer long enough.

boofredlay · 15 Jun 2009, 22:55

Just an update, this problem still has not been resolved.

I brought home a model I was working on at the office. Drew some in it, purged the unused materials, closed out then opened it up again and there were the materials. Plus I seem to be getting a bugsplat about 70% of the time I close SU. Looks like I need to reinstall SU7.

boofredlay · 26 Jun 2009, 01:40

Ok so I had some time tonight and decided to solve this problem once and for all. First thing I did was rename my Plugins folder so SU would not recognize it. I placed another Plugins folder with the original "plain" install. I restarted SU and the problem was gone. Ok, so it is in my plugins...

After quite some time I have narrowed it down to one plugin, VRay. If I remove the VRayForSketchup.rb file and restart the problem is solved. So I put it back and looked over VRay and noticed there was a Purge unused materials option if I context click the Scene Materials. GREAT! I thought. So I purged them and saved. Woo hoo, until I reopened the file and there they were again.

So, I know where the problem is just not how to fix it.
Any thoughts from the VRay crowd?

Thanks.