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    andyc
    last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 11:17

    @chango70 said:

    The man that more than any other credited with kick starting the scientific revolution was 15th Century theologeon Thomas Aquinas. He posited a thesis in which God as a creator set in motion the laws of nature and do not interfere (no freakin' miracles). Sounds familier? Because it is a scientic view of nature.

    Sorry chango, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Any thesis which begins with God as creator cannot be described as scientific. 😕

    A.

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      cornel
      last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 13:12

      "Scientific"?! Cognizant?! ☀

      See Romans 11:33 (two translations):
      “Oh, how great are God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand His decisions and His ways!”

      “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!”

      Cornel

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        chango70
        last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 13:28

        Well if we don't get too hang-up on the words 'scientific' and 'regligioius' and how they are set up as THE dichotomy of our time then it is perhaps not to hard to see that scientific enquiry do not preclude the existence of God, however it just makes it extremely unlikely to be anything resembling beliefs held by existing organised religion. Science has no means to exclude the CONCEPT of God, it is in a position to disaprove claims of truth from most of the existing scriptured religions.

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          chango70
          last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 13:31

          Agnosticsm is the only reasonable course of action.

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            cornel
            last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 13:47

            “For the wisdom of this worldis foolishness with God. For it is written, He that taketh the wise in their craftiness” (1 Corinthians 3:19 )

            …”The simple inherit folly; but the prudent are crowned with knowledge.” (Proverbs 14:18)

            Are we “prudents”?!! 🎉

            Cornel

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              sepo
              last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 14:09

              hehe Pete you have opened Pandora box... You will have whole Bible belt over your back... or ass. 😄

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                cornel
                last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 14:10

                Look in the History! 😮

                Majorities of REAL (“prudent”) scientists were devoted christians,
                and “thousands upon thousands have died... over the past 2000 years. Thousands continue to die.”, “standing on the side of reality”.

                Cornel

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                  sepo
                  last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 14:24

                  Yeah right but also large number of scientest were killed by the Church in the name of God. I wonder how many of the ones survived were really Christians or where they just putting the act so that they could be left alone. I am afraid Religion ( I mean organized form ) was certainly beeing used to do pilage ,rape and murder.....and that is the case still today... Organised religion is just another mechanism to control humanity... Thank you very much ...not good for me....

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                    Alan Fraser
                    last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 14:46

                    There's no such thing as "reality". There just a working hypothesis that's good for one set of circumstances but not another.

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                      cornel
                      last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 15:06

                      Re Alan’s ideea: “There's no such thing as "reality".”

                      There is “such thing”, because there were/are a lot of FALSE (and 'speculative'...) scientists, teachers, prophets, etc.

                      Cornel

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                        sepo
                        last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 15:12

                        Right and who is to say who was real. How do you decide which prophet was real and which was not. I supose you will tell me it is all written in the scriptures....which is not good enough... The Bible itself was edited for about 300 years before publishing. How convinient is that.

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                          Alan Fraser
                          last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 15:15

                          @unknownuser said:

                          There is “such thing”, because there were/are a lot of FALSE (and 'speculative'...) scientists, teachers, prophets, etc.

                          Cornel

                          Yes, like Creationists and End Timers for starters.

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                            solo
                            last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 15:16

                            And here I was thinking that 'reality' refers to something that is factually real, not thought to be real. silly me.

                            http://www.solos-art.com

                            If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                              cornel
                              last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 15:55

                              Sepo,
                              Re. your question: “How do you decide which prophet was real and which was not?”

                              If prophetic announcements are fulfill they are true (real).

                              If there is a ‘collection’ of many, and majorities of them are already exactly (on detail) fulfilled, a few remained propheties can be considered as true.

                              Alan,
                              Creationists use God’s Word as reference, because only God is absolut!
                              (Humans are relative...)

                              Cornel

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                                sepo
                                last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 16:43

                                Hmmm. Can you please give me an example of any prophet which announced stuff and it was proven to be correct and may I add something recent.

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                                  Alan Fraser
                                  last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 16:57

                                  Humans are relative, true...and humans invented a good part of the Bible. Some might be the word of God, but most of it is ancient myth and Jewish propaganda.
                                  For instance...according to Genesis:
                                  God created light and dark on the first day...but didn't create the sun, moon and stars until the fourth day. How does that work then?....and I don't want to hear any nonesense like "God can do anything." That's just ducking the issue. If God created this universe he created the laws of physics that govern it.

                                  He created the waters before he created any land....what from?

                                  I believe that even Creationists would have to agree that all life ultimately derives from the sun and the energy it bestows on us daily...so how come the earth was vegetated a day before the sun was created?

                                  Creationists keep repeating the lie that there is no evidence for Evolution...like if they say it often enough it will miraculously become true. The fact is that every museum and research lab on earth is full of incontravertible evidence for Evolution. Even The Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury have no problem reconciling the two...just idiot fundamentalists.

                                  I find it very hard to believe that every single person in Sodom and Gomorrah, other than Lot, was a sinner; even the new-born and those honest, simple people just trying to get on with life? What kind of God would destroy them all for being little more than lewd and licentious in the eyes of others? And what kind of God would then not detroy societies that have practiced far worse things? They weren't exactly ripping out people's beating hearts before kicking them down temple steps, were they?

                                  S & G were destroyed by natural catastrophy....and Jewish propagandists of the time attributed it to God...exactly like the self-righteous idiots in this clip.
                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVDbvkBS7Iw

                                  THIS is the way "The Word of God" starts out.

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                                    sepo
                                    last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 16:58

                                    While are we on the subject we have here something called Jesus Army which prays on volotile and young people , make them signed up and take their all values including a paycheck. In return they get lodging while the bosses live in pretty nice big stately homes. Oh Yes I forgot they get unifrom and get to sing every now and then in town... Recently they make a big fuss in town demanding that Charles Darwin to be covered in the Museum.... I do not have problem with people believing in anything they want, but when they start pushing me in corner and paddling their stuff than I have to react.... We also have number of young American in the Amish like outfitts walking door to door bashing with their holly books.... Please keep those in your BB we relly do not want them here.

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                                      cornel
                                      last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 17:06

                                      Sepo,
                                      per your request
                                      Two examples from Mattew 27:

                                      “Then was fulfilled that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying: “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was priced, whom certain of the children of Israel did price”” (v.9)

                                      “And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots; that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: “They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.”” (v.35)

                                      In The Bible, there are more than 330 such detailed propheties about only one Person. Can you CALCULATE what is THAT PROBABILITY?!!! 😮

                                      Cornel

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                                        sepo
                                        last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 17:40

                                        I am sorry but I do not see any relevance....Did you know that Nzis were predicting to kill all Jews.... Ok they did not succeed albeit killing many many millions... Do we take it as prophecy because they partially suceeded and does that make you know who prophet.
                                        I was trying to make sense from your previous post and it did not make any sense to me. Take me as not so bright and please give me an example of the relevance of these in todays world. Decode them for me. Think of me as someone who neede to be converted.

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                                          solo
                                          last edited by 1 Oct 2008, 18:01

                                          You finally said something revealing Cornel:

                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          Go on the street, (for example in Ney York, Chicago, etc.) and you will find (if you have ‘imagination’) a lot of faces and bodies that can be combined

                                          "Imagination" thats all your beliefs really are, truth is based on facts.

                                          http://www.solos-art.com

                                          If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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