Religion anyone?
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I don't know how has the bigger balls, Pete or Larry Charles......
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I know for sure his beard is bigger.
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is satanism, atheism a religion? how about the oriental way of ancestral worship? is it a religion or a belief? how about the New age movement? or even in my country we even have what they called Rizalism or Rizalista, where they worship and revere our national hero Dr. Jose Rizal.
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Okay, here I go again ...
Check this music video out, It's Dan le Sac - Letter from God, pretty interesting and catchy
[flash=425,344:15t4ync8]http://www.youtube.com/v/7KnGNOiFll4&feature=related[/flash:15t4ync8]
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@chango70 said:
Come on Pete, give religion a break eh? I mean all these stupid people out there who don't understand science need something to make them feel good about themselves.
Wow, I didn't realize I was stupid, didn't understand science, and needed something to make me feel good about myself. Thanks for enlightening me.
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hey solo, thanks for that you tube link, very timely, we are looking about how we man degraded the environment. were challenging the students in participating to the cause of global warming. i did a project on global wartming using 3d and its a very good illustration how can you get people's attention.
is in it the same feeling on how the bible portray's God during the time of Noah. that He was sorry that he created mankind because evil is everywhere.
i have converted the video and downloaded it. will show to my class. thanks again Pete.
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@rickw said:
@chango70 said:
Come on Pete, give religion a break eh? I mean all these stupid people out there who don't understand science need something to make them feel good about themselves.
Wow, I didn't realize I was stupid, didn't understand science, and needed something to make me feel good about myself. Thanks for enlightening me.
It was meant as a sarcastic joke poking fun at fundamentalists shown on the video Pete posted. I am keenly aware of the contribution of Religion in literature, art and scientific thinking. However, those thinkers could hardly be classified as literal interpreters of the holy scripture.
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@chango70 said:
I am keenly aware of the contribution of Religion in literature, art and scientific thinking.
Sorry, exactly what contribution to scientific thinking? Or literature come to that? I'll grant that some great art has been produced for (not by) religious institutions. But usually by an artist who was inspired by the need to pay the bills, not inspired by divinity.
Contributions to bigotry, persecution, and small-minded stupidity would be more accurate.
A.
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The man that more than any other credited with kick starting the scientific revolution was 15th Century theologeon Thomas Aquinas. He posited a thesis in which God as a creator set in motion the laws of nature and do not interfere (no freakin' miracles). Sounds familier? Because it is a scientic view of nature. Mendelson who proved genetic inheritance was a monk. More than that the scholarly network of monastries were responsible for the study and safe-keeping of earlier Greek philosophers in particular Aristotle. Literature and art? Just visit any national museum. I'd rate Confessions by St Augustine and Devine Comedy by Dante Alighieri as great examples of religion inspired literature. Can Homer's Odyssey be read without the tampering of man's fate by jealous Olympians? Have you not heard of the Hindu verdic epic poems? they are some of mankinds earliest examples of literature. Religous thinking (personal relationship with God) offer people a convenient and radical way of circumventing the conventions of society which can be more stiffling to progress. However as I said before non of the afforementioned thinkers ever for a second took the holy scripture at face value.
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@chango70 said:
The man that more than any other credited with kick starting the scientific revolution was 15th Century theologeon Thomas Aquinas. He posited a thesis in which God as a creator set in motion the laws of nature and do not interfere (no freakin' miracles). Sounds familier? Because it is a scientic view of nature.
Sorry chango, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Any thesis which begins with God as creator cannot be described as scientific.
A.
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"Scientific"?! Cognizant?!
See Romans 11:33 (two translations):
“Oh, how great are God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand His decisions and His ways!”“O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!”
Cornel
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Well if we don't get too hang-up on the words 'scientific' and 'regligioius' and how they are set up as THE dichotomy of our time then it is perhaps not to hard to see that scientific enquiry do not preclude the existence of God, however it just makes it extremely unlikely to be anything resembling beliefs held by existing organised religion. Science has no means to exclude the CONCEPT of God, it is in a position to disaprove claims of truth from most of the existing scriptured religions.
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Agnosticsm is the only reasonable course of action.
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“For the wisdom of this worldis foolishness with God. For it is written, He that taketh the wise in their craftiness” (1 Corinthians 3:19 )
…”The simple inherit folly; but the prudent are crowned with knowledge.” (Proverbs 14:18)
Are we “prudents”?!!
Cornel
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hehe Pete you have opened Pandora box... You will have whole Bible belt over your back... or ass.
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Look in the History!
Majorities of REAL (“prudent”) scientists were devoted christians,
and “thousands upon thousands have died... over the past 2000 years. Thousands continue to die.”, “standing on the side of reality”.Cornel
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Yeah right but also large number of scientest were killed by the Church in the name of God. I wonder how many of the ones survived were really Christians or where they just putting the act so that they could be left alone. I am afraid Religion ( I mean organized form ) was certainly beeing used to do pilage ,rape and murder.....and that is the case still today... Organised religion is just another mechanism to control humanity... Thank you very much ...not good for me....
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There's no such thing as "reality". There just a working hypothesis that's good for one set of circumstances but not another.
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Re Alan’s ideea: “There's no such thing as "reality".”
There is “such thing”, because there were/are a lot of FALSE (and 'speculative'...) scientists, teachers, prophets, etc.
Cornel
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Right and who is to say who was real. How do you decide which prophet was real and which was not. I supose you will tell me it is all written in the scriptures....which is not good enough... The Bible itself was edited for about 300 years before publishing. How convinient is that.
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