Lighting Plugin for Sketchup

RonanR · 19 Apr 2008, 21:39

I downloaded the zip file, went to its properties and unblocked it, but still couldn't extract the contents without the Windows Block Content dialog.

Same thing here... couldn't extract using WinZip. Ended up extracting using Stuffit instead, which I discovered was on my machine (1627 days of evaluation... woops).

RonanR · 19 Apr 2008, 21:43

@adamb said:

@jclements said:

I downloaded the zip file, went to its properties and unblocked it, but still couldn't extract the contents without the Windows Block Content dialog.

Sounds like you have a virus-checker stopping the installation. Perhaps you should install elsewhere and move the files manually.

No, its Windows 'deciding' the content can be harmful... my Norton AV passes your zip file as clean... Perhaps the ability to download the installer Unzipped from Light-up.co.uk would help some people with the same problem? Just a thought.

ilay7k · 19 Apr 2008, 21:56

Adam maybe using of sfx(self-extracted exe...in your archive-tool's options) package for 2 files...

Adam what about if somebody made scene and configured lightUp's options, and remotely sent to other...how to start rendering?
for example your studio-file, i open and what i do to start simulation? when i push TourTool and there is no actions...then add AO and push TT, it works fine

I forget to add that i register at lightUp's forum

Sorry for my English

pmiller · 19 Apr 2008, 23:50

Will not unzip on my computer either -- even after unchecking "unblock" in file properties and turning off anti-virus and firewall.

Mike Lucey · 20 Apr 2008, 01:23

Thanks Adam, everything opened fine. I've printed the instructions
and will read and have go tomorrow.

I really like the icons and way you have presented the package. Do
you use a Mac by any chance?

Mike

PS: Maybe you have done this already, I haven't checked on the forum.
Is there a Video Tutorial available showing a step by step approach?

AdamB · 20 Apr 2008, 05:02

@ilay7k said:

Adam what about if somebody made scene and configured lightUp's options, and remotely sent to other...how to start rendering?
for example your studio-file, i open and what i do to start simulation? when i push TourTool and there is no actions...then add AO and push TT, it works fine

The lighting options etc are all stored with the .skp file so sending it to somebody else will retain that info. The lighting data is created locally and NOT currently saved with the skp file.

The TourTool checks to see whether you've created lighting data and only starts if you have. So creating either Ambient Occlusion or Direct lighting (or both!) will then allow TourToool to start.

Adam

AdamB · 20 Apr 2008, 05:11

@mike lucey said:

Thanks Adam, everything opened fine. I've printed the instructions
and will read and have go tomorrow.

I really like the icons and way you have presented the package. Do
you use a Mac by any chance?

Mike

PS: Maybe you have done this already, I haven't checked on the forum.
Is there a Video Tutorial available showing a step by step approach?

Thank you. Yes, I regularly use Macs and PCs though my main machine is a G5 Mac.

I will be posting some video tutorials. Any suggestions as to areas that would benefit most, would be much appreciated.

AdamB

ilay7k · 20 Apr 2008, 05:53

Thank you for explanation

and when i modify geometry and some features in my scene, can i reset previous setting: remove LU-layer or something?

Thanks,
i move to LU's forum...is it open?

AdamB · 20 Apr 2008, 08:05

@ronanr said:

@adamb said:

@jclements said:

I downloaded the zip file, went to its properties and unblocked it, but still couldn't extract the contents without the Windows Block Content dialog.

Sounds like you have a virus-checker stopping the installation. Perhaps you should install elsewhere and move the files manually.

No, its Windows 'deciding' the content can be harmful... my Norton AV passes your zip file as clean... Perhaps the ability to download the installer Unzipped from Light-up.co.uk would help some people with the same problem? Just a thought.

Its the .msi file that is causing problems for JClements I believe so I'm not sure that would help.

I think there is bound to be a "learning experience" for me about the best way of packaging and downloading this stuff for minimal aggravation over the coming weeks!

Edson · 20 Apr 2008, 09:59

@adamb said:

@mike lucey said:

I will be posting some video tutorials. Any suggestions as to areas that would benefit most, would be much appreciated.

AdamB

adam,

no problems whatsoever downloading and installing LightUp in my mac.

i have started playing with it but, being a novice at rendering in general, it would be great to have a couple of tutorials or videos demonstrating a typical workflow. this will certainly allow us to make the best of LightUp.

a question: the time limit of 30 minutes means that everytime i open SU i have 30 min to use LU? what if a render takes more than that? if i am misunderstanding this please enlighten me.

it is difficult to navigate within the studio skippy you posted as there are no scenes set up. if one makes any false move the only way to get back to the scene is close and reopen the file.

congratulations on your effort.

tbd · 20 Apr 2008, 10:29

feedback:

model that is in the manual should be added to get on track easily
output bug: see attached (happened several times, cannot duplicate)
better icons (too much antialias when Larg Icons is set)
a way to disable the debug text from Ruby console
in direct lighting do not apply sun if it is not selected

ideas:

overlay on top of SU output with custom opacity - to have the lines visible

nice work Adam

tbd · 20 Apr 2008, 13:10

Juju: supersampling is not available in this version

juju · 20 Apr 2008, 13:16

Makes sense then, thx TBD.

Also, the room scale (studio2.skp file) seems to off quite a bit. I use the position camera and point to a place on the floor, eye height set to 5'6" and I'm virtually as tall as the room.

juju · 20 Apr 2008, 13:16

I get this error message when I press the LightUp prefences button.

If you press "yes" you can continue onto the settings window, but supersampling cannot be enabled.

AdamB · 20 Apr 2008, 16:03

@edson said:

@adamb said:

@mike lucey said:

I will be posting some video tutorials. Any suggestions as to areas that would benefit most, would be much appreciated.

AdamB

adam,

no problems whatsoever downloading and installing LightUp in my mac.

i have started playing with it but, being a novice at rendering in general, it would be great to have a couple of tutorials or videos demonstrating a typical workflow. this will certainly allow us to make the best of LightUp.

a question: the time limit of 30 minutes means that everytime i open SU i have 30 min to use LU? what if a render takes more than that? if i am misunderstanding this please enlighten me.

it is difficult to navigate within the studio skippy you posted as there are no scenes set up. if one makes any false move the only way to get back to the scene is close and reopen the file.

congratulations on your effort.

Generally LightUp rendering is pretty quick (obviously it depends on the model complexity) so 30 minutes seemed reasonable to give people a go with the technology to see if its useful to them. I've certainly added onto the TODO list something to allow you to quit from rendering if its taking too long - or there's a bug causing LightUp to spin endlessly.

As to getting lost in studio2.skp Yes, it was modelled with no scale in mind hence the crazy dimensions. However, you can control the speed of the camera motion in LightUp from the Preferences dialog. In "Viewing" look for "Speed". Also, if you ever get lost anywhere in Sketchup, Apple/Ctrl-1 to reset the camera position is always helpful.

Adam

AdamB · 20 Apr 2008, 16:05

@unknownuser said:

Juju: supersampling is not available in this version

Correct! And I have a question mark as to its usefulness too. Currently its a rotating multi-tap kernel but I'm thinking you might as well just turn up the Resolution of the lighting to achieve much the same effect.

Adam

AdamB · 20 Apr 2008, 16:19

@unknownuser said:

feedback:

model that is in the manual should be added to get on track easily

Yes, for the actual release there will be examples, videos etc.

@unknownuser said:

output bug: see attached (happened several times, cannot duplicate)

better icons (too much antialias when Larg Icons is set)

I have had some OpenGL drivers create odd snapshots. Try adjusting the size of the window (which will in turn change the size of the output size.)

@unknownuser said:

a way to disable the debug text from Ruby console

Yep, I plan to. Left it in for now since it doesn't do much harm. But yes I agree.

@unknownuser said:

in direct lighting do not apply sun if it is not selected

Can you explain. "Use sun" is selected by default. If you turn it off, LightUp shouldn't use the Sun.

@unknownuser said:

ideas:

overlay on top of SU output with custom opacity - to have the lines visible

Hmm. I have the greatest respect for the SU developers, but there OpenGL backend is the slowest thing I have ever seen. I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but anything I can do to get as far away from it is going to help performance. If there is real call for lines - I'll draw 'em!

@unknownuser said:

nice work Adam

Thank you. Fair amount of work to do yet!

Adam

AdamB · 20 Apr 2008, 16:21

@unknownuser said:

I get this error message when I press the LightUp prefences button.
[attachment=0:2jd7eubv]lightup preferences error dialog.JPG[/attachment:2jd7eubv]
If you press "yes" you can continue onto the settings window, but supersampling cannot be enabled.

Its something to do with Explorer that I've yet to entirely track down.

If you get this a lot, you can reset the Preferences for a model from Ruby Console. Type:

LMap.resetprefs

tbd · 20 Apr 2008, 18:39

@unknownuser said:

Can you explain. "Use sun" is selected by default. If you turn it off, LightUp shouldn't use the Sun.

aha, I thought that it takes in account "display shadows" from SU. didn't saw the "Use sun" from preferences window.

why not use the "display shadows" ? more intuitive imho

AdamB · 20 Apr 2008, 18:48

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

Can you explain. "Use sun" is selected by default. If you turn it off, LightUp shouldn't use the Sun.

aha, I thought that it takes in account "display shadows" from SU. didn't saw the "Use sun" from preferences window.

why not use the "display shadows" ? more intuitive imho

Well possibly. Its an interesting one because I think the dynamic for Podium is slightly different. I've found myself often not having shadows in SU but wanting sunlight shading in LU as a flick between the two. For Podium you want to compose the view "just so" and press the big green button and demand you get the same settings as in SU.

In any case, its a 1 line change to check LUprefs or the SU rendering_options.

Adam