Douglas, I don't have an answer for you just letting you know your not alone. I've had the same issue with Curviloft & SU8. In my case I think it was operator error in selecting the various paths. To get my toolbars back I have to quit SU and start over. In watching the video tutorials again seems there is some logic in the order you select stuff. No problems after I started to pay better attention to what I'm doing. chuck.