Yes, I agree with you and I will try the end points suggestion. Regards the surfaces I used curviloft but I am really struggeling with it as there is no real documentation. Things are happening that I don't understand, sometimes when I selct a line it will e.g. select a whole rectangle and so on. If you can point me to a tutorial that is suitbale for a humble beginner (skinning is what I'm really after) that would be great. Thanks for your kind help anyway. There are so many little things I am struggling but I set myself a bigger project knowing I will come across many points where I will have to learn new things. All the best Mike