...is defending vodka!

Excuses, please, that I’m late w/ this answer promised to Stinkie. He insisted to share it w/ you, not to send to him via PM.

Stinkie said that after his time on earth (see page 12), he will be “either fire or worms” (meaning burial or cremation act), but he perhaps will be “recycled to help out others.”
My rhetoric questin to him was if it’s there a problm if he will be recycled into an undesirable destination, to be shure if he eventual treated reincarnation aspect, but he didn’t.
“What do you mean?” – asked me Stinkie.
{EDIT: see: "by stinkie on Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:27 am"}

Reincarnation is not possible, because a human spirit has only one material support – one body. That body (recycled or not - see below) will be restaurated in one of two possible versions, based on life status of respective person: was or wasn’t ‘born again’.
Now, because Stinkie isn’t born again, I will present his proper Bible ‘setting’:

“I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:12-15)

Born again people aren’t part of that judgement and their ‘setting’is totaly different. There aren’t advocates, because everything was recorded. Names of unbelievers aren’t recorded in the Book of Life. Second death is a spiritual one.

Only for living people, there is a way of salvation:
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)
“Jesus told him: I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.” (John 14:60)

Now, for a while, we are living people… How long?!
Friends, tomorrow is not ours..., even we are megastars!

Cornel
PS: See you on other topic!

Pete,
Your links are presenting other kind of statistics, for example Murders vs. Corruption and Criminality.
I finished – I have no other comments!

Cornel

P.S.: Stinkie, I'll sent you a PM!

Pete, Alan and affected others,
I’m sorry for not ‘eloquent ‘discussions!

Behold a strange statistic, (instead of a “dogmatic response”):
In countries where percentage of Atheists is large, the rate of corruption and criminality is much more higher and productivity is lower…

Why?! Because they have an erroneos ethic: 'God doesn’t exist and men is the result of evolution: w/ altruism, advanced conscience, diligent, etc.'
This is only a postulate, because, in reality, their ethic is this:
'If God doesn’t exist I’m respecting myself, I’m not willing to be busy and to help others, I’m looking only for my advantages, etc.'

In a similar maner Mayan people had a postulate that volatilized their entire advanced civilization!
Beware of devolution, guys!

Truly I was yours: Cornel

JMO wrote: “who” is right?

The Word of God is right! The Scripture is self-explanatory and almost everybody has access to study the Bible.

As for me, I’m an independent believer... Everyone is (i)responsible for himself/herself, for there is one God, and only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Cornel

JMO and others, bravos!
You are ‘above’ God, like Luciferus. The Creator must be your servant…!?

At first we have to be ‘nearby’ God to know Him, not to know about Him, from ‘far’ distance!
Who is He, what are His wills, plans and ways, modalities to fulfill them, etc.???
Is our spirit communicating w/ God?! Are we in peace w/ Him?!

JMO, wrote: “your life is scripted. There's nothing you can do.”
Wrong! Entire Bible has examples, presented as if…; if…; if…

JMO, wrote: “Christian version of religion does not encompass much more than 1/3 of the world.”
Wrong! The Bible is presented inclusive ‘underground’, not only official, not only visible on the table.
The Bible is on the radio, it’s on-line on the Internet…, not only in churches, hotels, libraries or homes.

Cornel

Yes, “God is still good” ...:

“… He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Matthew 5:45)

…until the Judgement day.

Cornel

Pete,
For them, first place is occupied by COMPROMISES: superficial or partial studies, tradition, superstitions, personal ambitions, business, politics, etc.

Stinkie wrote,
“Has anyone else noticed Cornel doesn't like to answer questions?”

1. The Bible is concise and very explicative.
2. English is my 5th language – I’m learning it!
3. I am busy…

The answer for your above question is pending - be patient, please!

Cornel

Modelhead wrote,
“ If there is an all powerful being he will have witnessed my life and he will want me on his team anyway..”

God’s evaluations are different than ours…!

“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Alan wrote,
“I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed…but by natural catastrophe, not some vengeful god.”

God has control above all Univers!
Not only Sodom and Gomorrah were punished…: the Flood, Land of Canaan (starting w/ Jericho…), Babylon, Nineveh, Tyre, Sidon, etc.
Others: Pompei, Herculaneum, Rome, Cartagine, Chicago, etc.
God has control of wars, pandemics, tsunamis, earthquake, fires, accidents and so on…

Re. “evolution”:
Our progress is for ‘stomach’…, and is based on advanced technology…!
Much more important are our spirits, and we don’t know what the spirit is - we are confounding the spirit w/ the soul… Shame of us!

Behold an example of devolution:
“And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper…
and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.” (Romans 1:28,32)

Cornel

Alan,
I know enough all so called ‘advanced theories’…
After I did study them (plus Terra history), intensive, more than fifty years, I established a clear conclusion:
The Bible is true and has no inadvertences or competitors.

Regarding evolution, we are into an incontravertible devolution!
Progressive technology doesn’t mean evolution...

W/ optimism,
Cornel

Ed Hallam wrote:
“We are not in the stone age, we all know right from wrong.”

?!?!

The word INHUMAN denote that we have, in our conscience, an ideal model, which shows us what we have to do to be correct…
This presented that God created us ‘in His image, to be like Him’, but we are far now from that model; we are into a certain dynamic devolution.

In Psalm 8:4-5 it is written:
“What is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him? You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor.”

Apart from God, humans lost that initial “glory and honor” and took a new human ‘component’ named “sinful nature”, which enormous contributes to our devolution.
Post-modern humans aren’t more intelligent than a primitive one…

Take a child from a wild jungle tribe and put him/her into a very presigious suite of schools, in the most advanced country, and you will see no differences…!
Man capacities weren’t created by the progress, as evolutionists affirm. Human beings had them from the beginning, but they didn’t know how to materialize them…!

Cornel

Stinkie,
I’m not in your situation, to be "recycled fot others"…

My ‘scene’ will be this one:
“For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16)

Cornel

Stinkie wrote:
“I meant that the 'afterlife' will consist of either burial or cremation. The best you can hope for, is that parts of you will be recycled to help out others.”

Is there a problem for you if those “others” will be undesirable beings or things?!

Stinkie wrote:
“Not so fast, Cornel. 'Relative' and 'undefinable' are not interchangeable concepts.”
They are, because your relative moral precepts can be defined for a club, not to be valuable for all mankind, as the Bible is.

Stinkie, you affirmed that finally a human being will be “either fire or worms”.
Is the human spirit included in those presuppose ‘shapes’?!

Cornel

Pete, wrote:
“…evil profit based christian organisation, in fact I see more hate, evil and destruction in religion than anywhere else.”

I believe in God’s Word – the Bible. I’m not member of any kind of religious organization - I’m not an exponent of others.
To be christian, means to live like Jesus Christ…
“What was wrong in Jesus life?”, was my question on page 10, but no answers…

On page 10 olso, I mentioned about divers diversionist organizations auto-intituled christians, that are/were acting, producing crimes, disorder, confussion, etc.
On page 5 I presented a several examples (from the Bible) of what true religion means, but no comments…

Now, because you, Pete, are doing a compound of such discrepant things, it suggested me that you are into turmoil…
For your knowledge, there are three kind of christians:

1. by name (so called christian);
2. “natural” cristian;
3. “spiritual” christian.
   Do you know differences in-between this three categories?

Alan,
Apostles John and Paul, they were visited the Heaven...
Jesus Christ was and He is in the Heaven...

For us, there are no proper words to describe the Heaven...
Isaiah did not hallucinate!

Modelhead wrote:
“I'm no longer influenced by a god and it seems that goodness has surrounded me.”

Are you shure?!
Whithout God, good/goodness is very relative, and cannot be defined, because we have no a true reference, a perfect standard…

Theoreticaly , whithout God, we can just realise that things exist or not …, but not if they are good or bad.
Practically, we can distinguish if they are good or bad, because God created us ‘in His image, to be like Him’, and our conscience directs us, using our remaining ‘memory’ regarding God’s moral precepts.

Modelhead wrote: “Our time on earth runs out”

… and, after that?!?

Cornel

Jeff,
“God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good…” (Genesis 1:31)

Re. your conclusion: “so god created absolutely everything; he created evil…”
Evil wasn’t create. Evil is a resultant of anti-God position.
For example a rebelious angel is a demon. Demons weren’t created.
Actual man is different than initial Adam – human ‘components’ were changed!

At the time of creation, God knew about future alteration and provided (at the beginning) the way of ‘restoration’.
God is omniscient, Alan, not only a concept!
In the Bible, there are explained all those things, but, who is studying seriously?!

I saw in above comments that it’s not clear (for many guys) what does it mean this aspect:
“God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us.”
“Our image” has different meaning than “like us”, and “like us” doesn’t mean to be identical w/ God !
Friends, do not confuse materials w/ spirituals (and vice versa) and priorities!

Cornel