Poll: Mac vs PC
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..... but Macs can now run Windows, so it has
to be the best of both worlds. There is now
no argument as one can use either OS
I would have changed years ago if there was an
ACad Mac Version. However its only after the
'switch' that I now see that there is a very
wide range of Mac programs. Maybe not a lot of
games but this does not bother me.I would suggest that for anyone that really wants
to learn / understand what Apple has to offer they
should pop over to the http://www.Apple.com site and ...
eeerrrr 'enjoy' the site. Then pop over to the
MS site and 'stumble' around trying to find
information
The simple truth is that we would all be using
Macs if Apple like IBM 'opened' their doors but
they didn't, again maybe a wise policy. The same
could be said of AutoDesk, I wonder how big ACad
would be if AutoDesk had not decided to allow 3rd
parties to produce add-ons ?I really believe that many many PC using designers
will be 'switching' in big numbers over the next
couple of years, its just a matter of coming to
one's senses as price is not a big issue any longer.Mike
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An interesting tidbit of information for anyone interested.
Steve Jobs (perhaps one of the smartest and weirdest people in the business of computers) hired a group of people around the time of the advent of the world wide web. Their task was to develop a program that could surf and deal with all of your internet needs. 3/4 of the way through production, Steve pulled the plug because of any number of reasons. Rather than hanging on to the half completed software these folks created, he allowed them to keep it, and go into business for themselves. They finished the program and came out with a company called America Online.
I bet Steve Jobs had a few choice words when AOL merged with Time Warner to become one of the largest Corporations in the United States. lol
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thanks kelly,
though i´m afraid i have no culture at all about what you are talking
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I vote for Ubuntu 7.04 Linux, which I (and apparently Dell Computer) consider the first Linux distro ready for prime time.
No, I don't have SketchUp on it, and it won't run under WINE properly.
But I do have a thousand other piece of eccentric and equally troublesome software, including (oddly enough) native versions of GE and Picasa.
My most recent find: BRL-CAD. Good enough for the U.S. Army, good enough for my silly architectural projects. Where other programs ask you if you want to "exit" or "quit", you tell BRL-CAD "dismiss." I like to imagine it saluting as it leaves.
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--Lewis
[Lewis Wadsworth]
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oh, this poll is unfair! i'm not participating!
it should say: I PREFER to use SketchUp (mostly) on a...
i had to switch from pc to mac a couple of months ago when i got a new job, and there has been not a single day, i do not curse!
-eeva
ps please be gentle with the stones...
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Hi,
I started out using computers for graphics work in about 1986.
So, I used Macs. I loved them. PC's simply couldn't be considered as an option then.
Today, despite all the arguments there is very little real difference between the two platforms.
The Mac still has a 'prettier' interface, but I find PC's quicker and more logical to navigate through.
PC's have a greater range of software and provide more bang for buck.My choice today would be:
- If someone else is paying, get a Mac.
- If I have to pay, I'd get a PC.
What a shallow human being I am!!
Regards
Mr S -
The first graphic user interface was a demonstration of the Apple "Lisa" computer in our office in 1983. When the mac was born in early 1984, I shelled out $2500 for a 128K single-sided disc drive (400K) machine (hard drives were not yet available for the consumer). Four generations of macs later, I'm still using a G4 at home with a 19" LCD Apple monitor. However, about 15 years ago, I was forced to use a PC windoze machine (v3 or something like that). The PC's hated me! They crashed on me about 3 or 4 times a day, I think they sensed my apple-mac windows-hating karma...
I still enjoy going home to my friendly mac after battling the PC day in and day out.
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I honestly don't see how mac users have all of these "problems". BSODs and crashes left me the day I left NT 4.0 and went with Windows 2000 and XP has been even better. I simply don't have any issues. In fact to me windows just seems to be in the background, I see my applications and what I am doing.
I do wonder why Apple (Jobs) won't make a consumer tower? Why should non pro users be restricted to minis and all-in-ones? Dell, HP and others can make a Core2Duo box w/ XP for under $700 why can Apple make one for under $1000? (that's including the OSX tax ) They would sell like hot-cakes! I would consider getting one but not a mini or all-in-one that is restricted to upgrades (limited ram slots, non upgradable graphics, built in monitors) no thanks. Come on Steve make a consumer tower. -
hi glenn, come to think of it, you are damned right.
i have been a mac user for 12 years but only recently it dawned on me that unless you own the top apple model (the cheese graters) you are stuck with what they but inside the box. sometime ago i wanted to get a faster graphic card for one of my emacs but could not as it comes soldered to the motherboard (which cannot be upgraded either, by the way).
so far i have been quite happy with the many macs i have owned but what you mention is indeed a limitation. one wonders why apple does not do the obvious thing. perhaps now that they moved to intel they will start thinking differently.
cheers,
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I've always used a PC...been using them since I got my first one around 1990. I'm another one that can't see what all the fuss is about. In all that time I've had 2 viruses sneak past Norton...both a little annoying, but dealt with in an hour or two. SU occasionally bugsplats (like once every few months...and I am a beta tester, so it does get thrown around), but I honestly can't remember the last time I had anything like a system crash.
If something works for you and does everything you ask it to, there's not much point in trying the alternative. Macs may be prettier, but they're not as flexible regarding parts, or as economical in terms of bang for buck.
As their devotees are constantly reminding us "They just work." Well, so does my PC...and I've been using a vast array of graphics-intensive stuff on it and its predecessors for nearly two decades. The machine I'm writing at now gets turned on about 7.00 am and doesn't get turned off again until maybe 11.00 pm, pretty much 7 days a week. The amount of downtime I've experienced on it is negligible. -
hard to argue with that Alan. My experience has been similar, less vigourous, and for less time. But I'm happy on PC
[Shaun Tennant]
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alan, I agree entirely with you. if something works for you why move to something else? my case was quite different, when i moved to mac there was a lot to gain in terms of quality of output in architectural drawings and almost nothing to lose. autocad's output looked awful and minicad offered a much shorter learning curve and very good looking results.
i also agree that pcs are cheaper and offer one more possibilities of putting together the machine one really needs. but apart from that macs have worked perfectly for me: no freezes, no viruses, the few problems that arose were simple enough for me to solve without any expert help.
on the other hand, the whole issue of mac vs pc shall soon disappear as they are becoming more and more alike. the components used by macs and pcs are the same, intel macs can run windows, etc. the only difference right now is the operating system.
regards.
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That's quite a big burger you like to eat!
[Invader ZIM ]
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I've been using PCs since I got my first IBM clone in 1985. I couldn't even guess how many I've had at home and at work since then, except they surely keep getting better. In that 22 years, I've been through five versions of DOS and six of Windows, and the OS keeps getting better, too. (Well, we'll see about Vista.) Yeah, it occasionally gets locked up and I need to reboot, but I haven't had chronic instability issues since Windows 98, and I haven't lost any data for much longer than that, except for a hard drive crash a few years back.
In those same 22 years, I've worked for three major aerospace engineering corporations (it would be more accurate to say my company has been owned by three major corporations; I haven't gone anywhere). They have all gone with PCs running Windows. We saw the last Mac go somewhere around 1990 as it was pried from the fingers of an unhappy Apple stalwart. Windows XP engineering workstations displaced the last UNIX boxes four or five years ago. They are fast, powerful, and dependable. They run Pro/E, CATIA, Mentor Graphics, (and two copies of SU). It's all about the bottom line.
-Gully
[Gully Foyle]
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Exactly my point Edson. I have an older Mac and it works fine as does my 2 older PCs as well as my current PC. They all "just work". I can use both just fine but I just prefer the PC (I guess I just prefer AutoCAD). Yes, you are stuck with what Apple wants you to have unless you buy the highend tower, which I don't need. I would imagine that this helps get Apple products selling. Need a better graphics card in your iMac? Well pony up and buy a new model. Only the high-end iMac can upgrade graphics and still imagine that it is expensive. Atleast now with the Intel macs we can buy upgrades to the CPU without having to be restrcited to a hand ful of vendors.
@unknownuser said:
hi glenn, come to think of it, you are damned right.
i have been a mac user for 12 years but only recently it dawned on me that unless you own the top apple model (the cheese graters) you are stuck with what they but inside the box. sometime ago i wanted to get a faster graphic card for one of my emacs but could not as it comes soldered to the motherboard (which cannot be upgraded either, by the way).
so far i have been quite happy with the many macs i have owned but what you mention is indeed a limitation. one wonders why apple does not do the obvious thing. perhaps now that they moved to intel they will start thinking differently.
cheers,
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exactly. the high end macs are amazing machines. no wonder most advertising agencies (at least their image processing depts) and video production companies use mostly macs.
my question is: why do not apple allow us who are not such power users to have machines that could be upgradeable? i do not need a super machine like the 8-core mac pro but i do need more than my emacs with a meager video card (32 Mb).
my current machine is an imac intel with a 128 Mb video card. but what if i need more than that in the future?
cheers.
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My point exactly. I needed a newer video card last year so I bought one and switched it. Same to be said with NICs and sound cards. I do not want a machine with hard wired components.
I honeslty believe it is so Apple can try to force hardware updates. Say you need a newer version of X (whatever cat name it is this year) but your video card is not up to snuff. Well just buy a new iMac. No thanks. The $100 a year updates for OSX is bad enough to me. IMHO
I would think that the responce in the hacker community of installing X on non Apple hardware would open their eyes. They could be a software company, really they could. Sell software and iPods. I would bet on a market share jump from under 5% to 15% or so in one year of releasing OSX to the masses. Though they would have to step up to drivers issues and such. That would be a challenge.
@unknownuser said:
exactly. the high end macs are amazing machines. no wonder most advertising agencies (at least their image processing depts) and video production companies use mostly macs.
my question is: why do not apple allow us who are not such power users to have machines that could be upgradeable? i do not need a super machine like the 8-core mac pro but i do need more than my emacs with a meager video card (32 Mb).
my current machine is an imac intel with a 128 Mb video card. but what if i need more than that in the future?
cheers.
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I have been reading this thread with interest as my loyal five year old Sony Vaio laptop died running XP died last week. It cannot be upgraded as it is physically impossible to fit any more stuff inside. It has served me well, handling 3d apps, graphics, CAD etc. So I need a new machine.
I have always had PCs but I will probably buy a mac.The reasons being;
Mac users never look stressed, PC users often look very ill.
Viruses are virtually unheard of for the mac. PC Virus protection is a license to print money for the likes of Norton, McAfee etc.
Vista is just pretty, underneath it is still basically the same operating system that gave us Windows 95. Also I have yet to meet anybody who likes it.
Virtual PC for the Mac will run virtually every windows app including AutoCAD.
Macs are more expensive but the main reason for this is a smaller market share and ethical manufacture. Bill Gates, IBM and the rest do very nicely out of third world low paid labour.
My main reason is Microsoft have too much money and I can't use Linux.
That said I may be a hypocrit and still buy a PC if I can't afford a Mac.
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@unknownuser said:
I have always had PCs but I will probably buy a mac.
Virtual PC for the Mac will run virtually every windows app including AutoCAD.
That said I may be a hypocrit and still buy a PC if I can't afford a Mac.
hi jon,
today there are better applications than virtual pc: parallels and bootcamp allow for much smoother running. and bootcamp is free from apple (it is supposed to be part of next OS).
is the mac still so much more expensive than pcs in the US?
if you decide to buy a mac laptop check the macbook pro out.
regards,
edson
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@unknownuser said:
I have been reading this thread with interest as my loyal five year old Sony Vaio laptop died running XP died last week. It cannot be upgraded as it is physically impossible to fit any more stuff inside. It has served me well, handling 3d apps, graphics, CAD etc. So I need a new machine.
I have always had PCs but I will probably buy a mac.Well, you will not be able to upgrade hardly "any" laptops Mac or PC. Kind of a null point to me. There are PC laptops that can be upgraded. Dell precision laptops have upgradable video cards as do a few other high end models from other brands. Still expensive and not as easy as a desktop.
@unknownuser said:
The reasons being;
Mac users never look stressed, PC users often look very ill.
In the eye of the beholder I guess. My PC gives me no trouble so "your milage my vary" I guess
@unknownuser said:
Viruses are virtually unheard of for the mac. PC Virus protection is a license to print money for the likes of Norton, McAfee etc.
Norton and McAfee are virusus in my opinion. There are freeware virus programs that work better and use WAY less resources.
@unknownuser said:
Vista is just pretty, underneath it is still basically the same operating system that gave us Windows 95. Also I have yet to meet anybody who likes it.
Ok 2 things, if you don't like Vista don't use it. You are not forced to use it. XP can still be bought. There is nothing and I mean nothing from Win95 in Vista. Vista is built on technology from XP which was built on Windows 2000 which was built on Windows NT. XP has nothing to do with Dos, Win95, 98 or WinMillieum. They shared a similar look way back when but they are as different as OSX and OS9.
@unknownuser said:
Virtual PC for the Mac will run virtually every windows app including AutoCAD.
Virtural PC is now owned by MS and in fact they give it away free (minus the second OS). BootCamp and Parallels are better solutions if you own an Intel Mac.
@unknownuser said:
Macs are more expensive but the main reason for this is a smaller market share and ethical manufacture. Bill Gates, IBM and the rest do very nicely out of third world low paid labour.
Umm most if not all Macs come off the vary same assembly lines as do other PCs, from 3rd world countries. Dell is the only company I know of with US based assembly lines.
@unknownuser said:
My main reason is Microsoft have too much money and I can't use Linux.
And you think Apple is poor??
@unknownuser said:
That said I may be a hypocrit and still buy a PC if I can't afford a Mac.
Well if you want one get one. The good news is you won't be stuck since you can boot up XP with BootCamp. For me, the cost of the system plus having to buy all new software even with a discount off with having the PC version it is just not worth it to me. Honestly if Jobs would take some medication for his "Megalomaniac" problem and just make a damn consumer tower for $1,000 I would probably get one but I doubt he will.
I also wonder why effects his release of Safari for windows will have on the Macs low/no virus status. I have a theory that the macs security comes from it's obscurity (low market share) but with this more he moves to become more of a mrket share on the web and by also letting people code for Safari will this increase the likelyhood of attacks to this browser? Time will tell.
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