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  • E Offline
    Edson
    last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:12

    @unknownuser said:

    I have always had PCs but I will probably buy a mac.

    Virtual PC for the Mac will run virtually every windows app including AutoCAD.

    That said I may be a hypocrit and still buy a PC if I can't afford a Mac.

    hi jon,

    today there are better applications than virtual pc: parallels and bootcamp allow for much smoother running. and bootcamp is free from apple (it is supposed to be part of next OS).

    is the mac still so much more expensive than pcs in the US?

    if you decide to buy a mac laptop check the macbook pro out.

    regards,

    edson

    edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre β€’ brasil
    http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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      Glenn at home
      last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:13

      @unknownuser said:

      I have been reading this thread with interest as my loyal five year old Sony Vaio laptop died running XP died last week. It cannot be upgraded as it is physically impossible to fit any more stuff inside. It has served me well, handling 3d apps, graphics, CAD etc. So I need a new machine.
      I have always had PCs but I will probably buy a mac.

      Well, you will not be able to upgrade hardly "any" laptops Mac or PC. Kind of a null point to me. There are PC laptops that can be upgraded. Dell precision laptops have upgradable video cards as do a few other high end models from other brands. Still expensive and not as easy as a desktop.

      @unknownuser said:

      The reasons being;

      Mac users never look stressed, PC users often look very ill.

      In the eye of the beholder I guess. My PC gives me no trouble so "your milage my vary" I guess πŸ˜‰

      @unknownuser said:

      Viruses are virtually unheard of for the mac. PC Virus protection is a license to print money for the likes of Norton, McAfee etc.

      Norton and McAfee are virusus in my opinion. There are freeware virus programs that work better and use WAY less resources.

      @unknownuser said:

      Vista is just pretty, underneath it is still basically the same operating system that gave us Windows 95. Also I have yet to meet anybody who likes it.

      Ok 2 things, if you don't like Vista don't use it. You are not forced to use it. XP can still be bought. There is nothing and I mean nothing from Win95 in Vista. Vista is built on technology from XP which was built on Windows 2000 which was built on Windows NT. XP has nothing to do with Dos, Win95, 98 or WinMillieum. They shared a similar look way back when but they are as different as OSX and OS9.

      @unknownuser said:

      Virtual PC for the Mac will run virtually every windows app including AutoCAD.

      Virtural PC is now owned by MS and in fact they give it away free (minus the second OS). BootCamp and Parallels are better solutions if you own an Intel Mac.

      @unknownuser said:

      Macs are more expensive but the main reason for this is a smaller market share and ethical manufacture. Bill Gates, IBM and the rest do very nicely out of third world low paid labour.

      Umm most if not all Macs come off the vary same assembly lines as do other PCs, from 3rd world countries. Dell is the only company I know of with US based assembly lines.

      @unknownuser said:

      My main reason is Microsoft have too much money and I can't use Linux.

      And you think Apple is poor?? πŸ˜†

      @unknownuser said:

      That said I may be a hypocrit and still buy a PC if I can't afford a Mac.

      Well if you want one get one. The good news is you won't be stuck since you can boot up XP with BootCamp. For me, the cost of the system plus having to buy all new software even with a discount off with having the PC version it is just not worth it to me. Honestly if Jobs would take some medication for his "Megalomaniac" problem and just make a damn consumer tower for $1,000 I would probably get one but I doubt he will.
      I also wonder why effects his release of Safari for windows will have on the Macs low/no virus status. I have a theory that the macs security comes from it's obscurity (low market share) but with this more he moves to become more of a mrket share on the web and by also letting people code for Safari will this increase the likelyhood of attacks to this browser? Time will tell.

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        juju
        last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:15

        @unknownuser said:

        Viruses are virtually unheard of for the mac.

        Might have been unheard of (or rather scarce), but you still get them, plus the threat is growing...

        http://software.silicon.com/malware/0,3800003100,39167424,00.htm
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12537279/
        http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000737.htm

        Take note, this last link says that if you're running emulation software on your Mac (and obviously running MS Windows), then you can still get a virus on your Mac.

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          linea
          last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:16

          Hi all,

          Sorry if I annoyed some people with my view of windows, all your views were valid and thanks for the advice, but the mac users will get the last laugh. On Friday I spent Β£1400 on a new Toshiba laptop running Vista. I know, I know, I could have bought a mac for the same price. You pc lot gave me cold feet so I stayed under the familiar wing of uncle Bill.

          I wish I hadn't, SU doesn't run, I've tried all the workarounds, Photoshop CS2 doesn't run,3DS MAX 8 doesn't, Architectural Desktop 2005 doesn't, the list goes on. My trusty old version of Serif Page Plus 9 is about the only thing I've found that does. I will have to buy the latest versions of the lot.

          My mac using mates think I'm a fool.
          The biggest advantage Apple have ever had over PCs is surely the release of Vista. If anyone can help, please let me know.

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            Mike Lucey
            last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:16

            As far as upgradability goes on a Mac, well I use
            laptops for the most part and its difficult to
            upgrade CPUs or V Cards on these machines be they
            PCs or Macs.

            However I am aware that many Apple Stores, the ones
            located in cities mostly, will quite readily take in
            an older Mac as a trade-in ! This in my opinion
            should be quite an attractive inducement for users
            that want to stay on the cutting edge of graphics
            orientated machines.

            To check this out all one has to do is look up
            an independent Apples Resellers Site and they usually
            have a sellection of 'Used Hardware'. I think the
            reason this works so well is bacause of the Apple /
            Graphic Design link. The Apple Stores are often
            located in cities that have Art Colleges and there
            is always a ready market of Art / Graphics students
            on tight budgets looking for Macs πŸ˜‰

            Far better that trying to flog the old laptop on
            Ebay πŸ˜’

            Anyone interested in a Dell M90, a Eurocom Enigma
            or a Dell M60 πŸ˜†

            Mike

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              Mike Lucey
              last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:18

              @unknownuser said:

              Viruses are virtually unheard of for the mac.

              Might have been unheard of (or rather scarce), but you still get them, plus the threat is growing...

              http://software.silicon.com/malware/0,3800003100,39167424,00.htm
              http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12537279/
              http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000737.htm

              Take note, this last link says that if you're running emulation software on your Mac (and obviously running MS Windows), then you can still get a virus on your Mac.[/quote]

              On the last link, it states,
              'Most of the virus writers are familiar with the IBM platform and Microsoft Windows, and therefore are only going to be able to create a virus for that platform.'

              Hey ! I wonder does this mean that its 'nicer' people that use Macs and would not dream of writing a virus πŸ˜†

              I'm bloody well glad that I made the switch and stongly advise any 'fence sitter' out there to take the leap of faith ...... I've yet to hear of an opposite switcher πŸ˜‰ Does ANYONE know of one ❓

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                Ross Macintosh
                last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:20

                Mike I switched from Macs to pc and I'm glad I did. With the name Macintosh I was for a number of years a serious Mac-addict. I'm glad I was cured. πŸ˜„

                Recently someone in these forums posted a screenshot of the mac finder. I cringed! Yikes! Talk about info overload! For me it is just bad interface design. I much prefer Microsoft's fairly intuitive 'file explorer' approach.

                I'm glad there are multiple OS choices for consumers. Hopefully each computer user can find the OS that makes them most comfortable. To each his own.

                Regards, Ross

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                  Edson
                  last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:21

                  @ross macintosh said:

                  Recently someone in these forums posted a screenshot of the mac finder. I cringed! Yikes! Talk about info overload! For me it is just bad interface design. I much prefer Microsoft's fairly intuitive 'file explorer' approach.

                  ross,

                  i am to blame for the posting of the offensive screenshot. i apologise for any pain it may have inflicted in you and promise to try my best to refrain from posting such stuff in the future.

                  very humbly yours,

                  edson

                  p.s.: just pulling your leg. you have every right not to like macintoshes.

                  edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre β€’ brasil
                  http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                    Mike Lucey
                    last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:24

                    @ross macintosh said:

                    Mike I switched from Macs to pc and I'm glad I did. With the name Macintosh I was for a number of years a serious Mac-addict. I'm glad I was cured. πŸ˜„

                    Recently someone in these forums posted a screenshot of the mac finder. I cringed! Yikes! Talk about info overload! For me it is just bad interface design. I much prefer Microsoft's fairly intuitive 'file explorer' approach.

                    I'm glad there are multiple OS choices for consumers. Hopefully each computer user can find the OS that makes them most comfortable. To each his own.

                    Regards, Ross

                    Ross,

                    I was not that keen on Mac Finder either BUT I found
                    Macintosh Explorer, works a treat πŸ˜‰

                    Maybe you would consider doing a Double Switch πŸ˜†

                    Mike

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                      Edson
                      last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:25

                      @unknownuser said:

                      I was not that keen on Mac Finder either BUT I found
                      Macintosh Explorer, works a treat

                      mike,

                      is it shareware, freeware or what? i am so used to the finder that I cannot really see in which way any explorer-type app ca be better. could you just give me an example?

                      regards.

                      edson

                      edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre β€’ brasil
                      http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                        lewiswadsworth
                        last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:26

                        And now for Something Completely Different.

                        Windows Vista vs. Ubuntu Linux Beryl, with a techno soundtrack:

                        http://www.metacafe.com/watch/434675/windows_vista_aero_vs_linux_ubuntu_beryl/

                        Interesting that they don't bring Mac into the fray.

                        (If SketchUp ran on Linux, I would be so "outa here" with Windows.

                        --Lewis

                        [Lewis Wadsworth]

                        col sporcar si trova

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                          Mike Lucey
                          last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:28

                          @unknownuser said:

                          I was not that keen on Mac Finder either BUT I found
                          Macintosh Explorer, works a treat

                          mike,

                          is it shareware, freeware or what? i am so used to the finder that I cannot really see in which way any explorer-type app ca be better. could you just give me an example?

                          regards.

                          edson

                          Hi Edson,

                          After jumping into OSX I must admit I missed some of the
                          'old ways'. I have however located quite a few Mac programs
                          and utilities that helped to ease the transition and Mac
                          Explorer is one of them. At €15 I think its good value.

                          The Rage Site explains the features of Mac Explorer far better
                          than I could, so I'd suggest that you have a quick look. The
                          link is here, http://www.ragesw.com/products/explorer.html

                          Another utility that I'm using permanently is Sticky Windows.
                          This utility allows me to 'grab' a program window and 'slap'
                          it to the edge of the screen. It sticks there as a tab !
                          I think this is a better alternative to the 'Dock' as I like
                          to leave the dock clean, just to be used for programs. You can
                          check out Sticky Windows at
                          http://www.donelleschi.com/stickywindows/ BTW this firm does
                          a few other useful little utilities, Cunning Fox being one of
                          them.

                          Mike

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                            linea
                            last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:29

                            Well after much harrasment I've got SU and a few other programs working on Vista. ACAD is a non starter though. I have to say though there are a few useful tools in Vista but not many.

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                              Glenn at home
                              last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:30

                              @unknownuser said:

                              Well after much harrasment I've got SU and a few other programs working on Vista. ACAD is a non starter though. I have to say though there are a few useful tools in Vista but not many.

                              I had to right click the ACAD icon and set it to run in compatibility mode (WinXP) and with Admin. rights to get Acad-07 to run in Vista. It really only took a few minutes on the AutoCAD site to find out how. What version are you running?

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                                linea
                                last edited by 25 Dec 2007, 22:31

                                Architectural Desktop 2005 but I'm thinking about buying Allplan by Nemetschek rather than AutoCAD 2008. Check Allplan out, I've seen it demonstrated, amazing

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