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    • medeekM Offline
      medeek
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      Has anyone ever called out duplex receptacles with the integrated USB chargers?

      https://www.leviton.com/en/images/lc/T5632_W_5.jpg

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      I'm assuming the callout would just be a standard duplex symbol with the annotation "USB" added.

      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
      Medeek Engineering Inc
      design.medeek.com

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        These type of outlets have a small parasitic load (50 mW), but I think many people are willing to accept that loss for the convenience. My worry would be that the device fails down the road and then I need to replace it. Its one thing tossing an old adapter in the bin, its entirely different when I need to pull out the tool bag and start re-terminating receptacles, or worrying that one of these things is really going to go bad and possibly create a fire hazard.

        It’s not a big deal to provide a USB model of your standard USB Decora duplex receptacle, I’ll just base it on the T5632 (Leviton) and if people want something different they can replace the default model in the library that I provide.

        As I was eating outing this evening with the wife I noticed along the bar a line of outlets (and even a couple switches) that were mounted horizontally rather than vertical. I will need to add in the first of the advanced options which allows the user to toggle between a vertical or horizontal mount, obviously vertical will be the default.

        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
        Medeek Engineering Inc
        design.medeek.com

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        • medeekM Offline
          medeek
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          Added the advanced option which will allow for a horizontal mount of any receptacle:

          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su9_800.jpg

          First look at the the following: GFCI, USB, Simplex, Horizontally mounted Duplex

          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su10_800.jpg

          I will also extend this same functionality to the switch module so that they can be mounted in any orientation.

          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
          Medeek Engineering Inc
          design.medeek.com

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          • medeekM Offline
            medeek
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            Option for weatherproof GFCI added:

            http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su11_800.jpg

            I haven't gotten every combination but I think I now have about 85% of the most commonly used configurations added in for outlets. I will now return to the switch module and work that over for a while until it is also about 85-90% coverage.

            I also still need to add in a completely new style: 240V

            This will comprise single gang outlets for clothes dryers, welders, and ranges.

            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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            • medeekM Offline
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              I've added in the option for 240V receptacles:

              http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su12_800.jpg

              These are limited to single gang configurations as shown (2 gang electrical box). They can be mounted either vertical or horizontal. The annotation allows one to specify either a dryer (D) or range (R) outlet.

              By default the color of the outlets is a dark brown (thermoplastic) but can be modified by the user as well as the wall plate material.

              I was going to add in an option for a welder outlet but I'm not sure which outlet type is the most common for this application, it appear that the NEMA 6-50 is commonly used for welders but until I get more information or a direct request for this particular NEMA receptacle I will leave this one for now.

              Dimensions for these outlets types are per Leviton's product lineup, as is the wall plate. For now I've employed the standard 2-gang Carlon PVC box but for a heavier circuit like these I personally would probably go with a metal box and the appropriate mud ring and cable clamps.

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              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
              Medeek Engineering Inc
              design.medeek.com

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              • medeekM Offline
                medeek
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                A few more options for the switches module:

                http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su13_800.jpg

                One of my favorite switches, the Trimatron.

                Okay, I think I have my bases mostly covered for switches and outlets other than some specific combinations which will require a different icon/tool but I will get to that in the near future. Am I missing anything important here?

                I currently have 47 pre-configured switch/outlets and combinations, see the model here:

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                Besides switches and outlets there are all of the low voltage type components like:

                Coax, Cat5/6/7, Phone, Speakers etc...

                Then there are your service panels (breaker boxes)

                The other elephant in the room is lighting fixtures.

                I think for now I will start off with the switches and outlets and see what the response is. If the user base demands all of these other elements then I will take it one step at a time.

                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                Medeek Engineering Inc
                design.medeek.com

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                • medeekM Offline
                  medeek
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                  I will provide the same 14-xx outlet in 30 and 50 amp without the dryer or range designation, for those applications that are something other than those two typical residential usages.

                  I was looking at Square D service panels (load centers) last night and I'm most familiar with their QO product, not a huge fan of the cheaper Homelite product line. I can't seem to find any decent drawings or dimensions for these enclosures other than the overall size. If anyone can direct me to a resource which will allow me to model these up with some accuracy I would like to add in a handful of service panels.

                  I'm probably not going to dive too deeply into the load center module right now, only providing a basic model and label, but eventually it would be nice if one could assign specific outlets, switch and light fixtures to a given circuit/circuit breaker. There is a lot that can be done with this sort of thing.

                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                  design.medeek.com

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                  • medeekM Offline
                    medeek
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                    For low voltage I am going to start with only one style for now and that is the Leviton Quickport system:

                    http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su14_800.jpg

                    The advantage with this system in my opinion is that there will be less electrical boxes to install since you can get more than one outlet per box (max. is 6 ports for a single gang box).

                    My only problem now is how to show this type of port on the electrical plan. Typically I would have a symbol for TV, Phone and/or Data. However, what does one show when you have a situation like above where all three data types are compressed into one box. Even worse, what if I have the 6 port version and have one phone jack, two CAT6 jacks, two coax jacks and a blank?

                    What is the preferred convention? If there is one.

                    Additionally there is the 2-gang low voltage box (Carlon SC200AR) which can be fitted with a Quickport face plate and have a maximum of 12 separate ports, yikes.

                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                    design.medeek.com

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                    • medeekM Offline
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                      The low voltage components that will be utilized in the Medeek Electrical extension:

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                      This collection is only the QuickPort components there is also the QuickPlate and Decora styles that I have not gotten to yet.

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                      Medeek Engineering Inc
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                      • jujuJ Offline
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                        Would we be able to add/assign our own/custom components?

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                        • medeekM Offline
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                          Yes, I think I can set that up. You will probably need to take a look at the way I am setting up the .skp files in the low voltage library (placement of origin) and then it shouldn't be too hard to add your own jacks etc...

                          I've also added in the RCA QuickPort by request.

                          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su15_800.jpg

                          You will be able to assign a unique QuickPort outlet to each port of the wall plate and also assign it its own unique color if you choose (this will be important for people who are color coding network jacks).

                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                          design.medeek.com

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                            The updated toolbar:

                            http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su_menu_active.jpg

                            I will leave it up to inquiring minds to figure out what all these icons mean. 😄

                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                            design.medeek.com

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                              The low voltage module is working pretty good now. I just need to wrap up the 2D symbols and then we will see if I can put together a few typical load centers, and then its out to the public for some BETA testing.

                              A 2-gang, 12 port low voltage box is probably your worst case scenario:

                              http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su16_800.jpg

                              Each port can be assigned one of the following:

                              • CAT6
                              • CAT5e
                              • COAX
                              • PHONE (RJ11)
                              • RCA (Audio/Video, gold plated)
                              • BLANK (Plastic Insert)

                              Additionally each port has its own unique material/color which by default is "White". The faceplate can also be assigned a unique material/color.

                              Similar to other outlets the advanced options can be enabled which allows for vertical or horizontal mounting.

                              The number of possible QuickPorts is limited to the following:

                              1-Gang: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6
                              2-Gang: 8, 12

                              There are additional 2-Gang QuickPort wall plates that I have not added. I will only add these if requested, since they are already covered by the 1-Gang option.

                              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                              Medeek Engineering Inc
                              design.medeek.com

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                                Various combinations of QuickPorts yields a number of possible 2D symbols:

                                http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su17_800.jpg

                                I've tried to stay with conventional symbols as much as possible. Please let me know what you think on this.

                                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                Medeek Engineering Inc
                                design.medeek.com

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                                  Tomorrow I will finish modeling up some typical load centers (breaker boxes) like the one below (200 Amp, 40 Spaces):

                                  http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su18_800.jpg

                                  I'm not going to put any special logic into this module yet, just a simply positioning and selection. However at some point it would be really cool to use the plugin to setup the various breakers and identify circuits as well as assign specific elements to a circuit.

                                  For now three sizes of breaker components are provided and it is up to the user to manually configure their panel if they so choose to do so, otherwise is is more representational than anything else.

                                  When it comes to setting the vertical height of the load center what is the method used to measure from the floor? Center, Top or Bottom of the panel?

                                  I will provide some common panel sizes (spaces): 24, 30, 40, 42, 54, and 60.

                                  My breakers are based on the SquareD QO series as are my load centers however they are considerably simplified to maintain a low poly count.

                                  Also for now I am only going to provide flush mount and not surface mount however I will probably enable both in the future.

                                  View model here:

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                                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                                  design.medeek.com

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                                    Various load center sizes, view model here:

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                                    All load centers are 200 Amp except for the 24 space unit which would be rated for 100 or 125 Amp.

                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
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                                      The inside of these boxes and the breakers are very simple and low poly. The idea is mostly to convey the number and location of breakers and overall dimensions:

                                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su19_800.jpg

                                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                                      design.medeek.com

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                                        In the parameters for the load centers I identified the following options:

                                        1.) Style: Flush Mount, Surface Mount
                                        2.) Indoor/Outdoor: Indoor, Outdoor
                                        3.) Height: Distance from floor to bottom of box (in./mm)
                                        4.) Breaker No.: 6, 8, 12, 24, 30, 40, 42, 54, 60
                                        5.) Amperage: 100, 200
                                        6.) Main Lug: Main Breaker, Main Lug
                                        7.) Adv. Options: None Currently

                                        There is no material/color assignment.

                                        I've created a 6 and 8 breaker box (main lugs only). I will need to add in additional boxes that only have main lugs and not a main breaker for the other sizes, but that is work for another day.

                                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                                        design.medeek.com

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                                        • jujuJ Offline
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                                          Here we mainly use board arrangements with a horizontal breaker alignment, in rows as many as may be required. Thus breakers switches are up/down (up = on & down = off). Interestingly enough, light switches work the other way around here, up = off & down = on.

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                                            @juju said:

                                            Here we mainly use board arrangements with a horizontal breaker alignment, in rows as many as may be required. Thus breakers switches are up/down (up = on & down = off). Interestingly enough, light switches work the other way around here, up = off & down = on.

                                            In the global settings I will have a parameter that allows one to switch to the electrical standard of their choice. Right now the only option is NEMA:

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                                            Perhaps the next standard that should be added is the British standards and its derivatives (BS 545, BS 1363, BS 4573):

                                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#BS_546_and_related_types_(Type_D_and_M

                                            The South African standard is also of some interest:

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                                            Who is the predominant manufacturer of outlets, switches and wallplates in South Africa?

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                                            Medeek Engineering Inc
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