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    • Joe WoodJ Offline
      Joe Wood
      last edited by

      Folks I'm going nuts here! I can't intersect this rafter blank rectangle with the draped roof plane. I successfully did it with three other rafters. If you turn on hidden geometry you can see how I stitched the compound roof plane together. I've very infrequently had this intersecting problem before but I can't make this one work,

      anyone see what's wrong??


      intersect.skp

      Joe Wood
      woodsshop.com/

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      • ecatiE Offline
        ecati
        last edited by

        There are many errors in the drawing.
        For example.
        Click on image for animation.


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        • Joe WoodJ Offline
          Joe Wood
          last edited by

          Yes many errors but why isn't it intersecting is my question.

          I found what was wrong! I had that rectangle centered right on the center of the roof, and somehow the lines weren't intersecting so I move the rectangle over a tiny 1/16", off the roofs centerline, and got it to intersect all the way up πŸ™‚

          Joe Wood
          woodsshop.com/

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          • S Offline
            slbaumgartner
            last edited by

            I think you are a victim of numerical precision effects during the intersection calculations.

            That particular rafter template is aligned almost, but not quite exactly, down a (softened and smoothed) sequence of edges in the roof surface (see attached image where I've labelled some vertices). So, in this case you are looking to find intersections between the rafter face and the edges in the roof that are almost in the plane of the face. The other rafter templates go askew to the edges in the roof surface, so they intersect faces with faces. In my experience, the intersect operation is very sensitive to tiny differences when finding intersections between a face and other edges because they require testing finite-precision calculations. The fact that the relevant geometry is in different group contexts, requiring a sequence of transformations to unify them for testing, compounds the sensitivity and makes it vary from edge to edge, which is why some worked and some didn't. The fact that you got intersections when you moved the rafter slightly to the side supports my analysis. Another way to fix it would be to open the roof context, edit-copy the edges running down the plane of the rafter, back out of there and open the rafter context, and paste in place. Then run the intersect operation. Then it works, probably because of eliminating transformations between contexts.

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            • Joe WoodJ Offline
              Joe Wood
              last edited by

              What a trip being able to so accurately fit these rafter tops to the compound roof planes πŸ™‚ Then double trippy being able to have them the all cut by cnc so accurately that all the pieces almost click together!

              say, how would I give that compound roof plane I posted, a 1.5" thickness? I tried copying it up 1.5, then stitching the edges like I've always done but it would take a long time. Is there an easier way?


              12x14 SUp.jpg

              Joe Wood
              woodsshop.com/

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              • Joe WoodJ Offline
                Joe Wood
                last edited by

                That explains it SL! If I had a mind that worked like yours this would all be so much easier!

                Joe Wood
                woodsshop.com/

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                • tuna1957T Offline
                  tuna1957
                  last edited by

                  Have you tried Fredo's Joint Push Pull ?

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                  • Joe WoodJ Offline
                    Joe Wood
                    last edited by

                    no, I don't use any plugins. Push pull might not work as I'd need sharp 45* corners.

                    Joe Wood
                    woodsshop.com/

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                    • BoxB Offline
                      Box
                      last edited by

                      Not using plugins is a choice some people make, but as Sketchup is pretty much designed to be used with plugins you are limiting yourself for no real reason. Learning to work without plugins is important, so you know what you are doing. But once you know how to do something manually there is no reason not to use a tool that will automate it for you.

                      So anyway this is Tig's excellent Extrusion tools and specifically Extrude edges by vector to object. Basically it is doing the stitching that you already know how to do, but all in one go.
                      EEBYV.gif

                      And just to finish that thought, throw in Curviloft and your whole roof is done in no time.
                      CurviRoof.gif

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                      • Joe WoodJ Offline
                        Joe Wood
                        last edited by

                        Thanks for taking the time for me Box! Ok I might try some plugins, those two you showed do look interesting.

                        Joe Wood
                        woodsshop.com/

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