MSPhysics tests and questions

robint

Hi Faust

Through the Ruby Code editor, I found a start_timer and stop_timer function

Would this help?

Say put start at the top to activate when staring sim,

then stop_timer after the reset action line

then display timer?

sorry my newbie attempts at script (do you hav any recommendations on the best way to learn script for MSP - there's so much flack out there its hard to know where to start)

Cheers

Robin

faust07

Hi Robin,
have tested to find a solution to pause simulation per script, but have nothing found until now.
I'm a script newbie too. For my purposes I look into scripts of models from the experts at 3D-Warehouse (AntonS & PituPhysics) or ask them in Anton's main MSP post.

robint

Well we are both struggling, blind leading the blind

FYI this timer thing is fundamental to simulating physical systems (mass speed acceleration)

The on touch is a good start, just need to time the sequence and display result on reset

opens up a whole new way of simulating mechanical systems

as fundamental say as a thermometer is to tell you the temperature - if you see my point

so I must perservere. If I get a result I will post it you

Cheers

Robin

robint

A bing moment has occured

when I # out the reset line, I just had a ontouch line only and it outputs to screen what might be some sort of final velocity m/s on impact (according to the script info)

pls see model

Now I cant yet correlate that to the calc velocity which should be 14m/s on impact from 10m
it comes out at 58 and varies with the UI sim setting of Newton update rate (currently 10)

also from dropping from 5m gives 33 (should be 9.9m/s and is 1/sqr2 - .707) whereas 33/58 is ca.57

maybe some dynamic friction in play?

Is this a worthwhile line of enquiry?

Cheers

Robin

ps the ball is in anton's examples funny little thing - and something for gamers pool table maybe?

falling block.skp

Anton_S

Yes, the final velocity should be 14 m/s, and it is 14 m/s.

Your script in the model you posted, just outputs the frame:

onTouch { |toucher, position, normal, force, speed|
  simulation.log_line("onTouch #{frame}")
}

That explains why you get unrelated results.

To output the final velocity, you should change the code to output the speed:

onTouch { |toucher, position, normal, force, speed|
  simulation.log_line("onTouch #{speed}")
}

And besides, setting the linear damping of the falling box to zero will make the final velocity even more right because this will eliminate the dissipative force.

robint

Thank you so much Anton, I was just about to post an apology for a stoopid boy Pike moment (no smilie for Duh )

but I read the second line and it outputs frame to screen, what a numpty

You gave me some other scrip that outputs velocity, strange to note that the cube reaches a terminal velocity ca 2m/s ca halfway down - intriguing. Is there something in there that simulates viscosity?

onUpdate {

Get current velocity

cv = this.get_velocity

Output it in the note

note = sprintf("Velocity: (%.3f, %.3f, %.3f)", cv.x, cv.y, cv.z)
simulation.display_note(note)
}

Cheers

Robin

Anton_S

Yes, the viscosity is simulated by the linear damping. To remove the linear damping, select the desired group, open MSPhysics UI, activate the Properties tab, and set Linear Damping to 0.00. This should alter the height of terminal velocity.

If you meant something else, like water or buoyancy, you can add a buoyancy plane by navigating to (Menu)Extensions->MSPhysics->Create Buoyancy Plane. Although the liquid is not simulated. It's just the buoyancy force that is applied.

robint

Hi Anton

Just when I thought you cracked it with speed, something strange happens

When dropping the block from 10m = ok = 14m/s as per calc (see model)

Move the block down to 5m => nonesense answer like 0.07... (should be 9.9m/s)

Yet move block to other elevations like 8.5m or 2.5m , seems to work ok (but I haven't checked the result against calcs (12.9, 7)

So I am completely stumped

BTW sometimes the block appears to penetrate the baseplate and slowly return to zero, could this be the reason?

Thats ruined my day

Cheers

Robin

falling block2.skp

robint

Maybe uncovered a nasty bug? Anton

Here's a suggestion from your speed indicator

onUpdate {

Get current velocity

cv = this.get_velocity

Output it in the note

note = sprintf("Velocity: (%.3f)", cv.z)
simulation.display_note(note)
}

When it runs, on collision it displays 0.00 as expected, the block has stopped but we lost the terminal velocity

Could we say put an IF loop in the output velocity to note, only iff velocity <say .5m/s, then it should go to zero when the block stops (assuming no bounce)

Just a thought, maybe a simpler approach? from a ruby newby

Cheers

Robin

robint

Sorry, Im getting tired

I meant it should retain the highest last value in note when the block stops

Apologies

Robin

Anton_S

It's all cool

Here is the code for viewing maximum velocity.

onStart {
  @max_vz = 0
}

onUpdate {
  v = this.get_velocity
  if v.z.abs > @max_vz
    @max_vz = v.z.abs
    simulation.display_note(sprintf("Max Speed %.3f m/s", @max_vz))
  end
}

And yes, the speed indicator in onTouch may not always work right, which is the problem of the physics engine that my wrapper is using.

robint

Hi Anton

Installed your script, works a treat and pretty accurate

However I have meddled and got stuck, I cant find a way to print another result on a new line, tried everything, puts, print (can't find sprintf in docs either)

As you see I want to print elapsed time as well and it works but overwrite the Max Speed result on the same line

I feel really dumb getting stuck on this trivial matter, pls help

BTW would I be right in saying that MSP script is a subset of official Ruby 2.0 and some elements like puts and print (they dont do anything on screen or riase an error)are left out?

Cheers

Robin

falling block3.skp

Anton_S

Here:

onStart {
  @max_vz = 0
}

onUpdate {
  v = this.get_velocity
  if v.z.abs > @max_vz
    @max_vz = v.z.abs
    simulation.display_note(sprintf("Max Speed %.3f m/s\nElapsed Time; %.2f s", @max_vz, world.time))
  end
}

robint

Anton, ooh that is nice

from little acorns, great oaks grow

So now we have a timer as well

Maybe add

add the x.y.z distance travelled

and then I can perhaps simulate a cannon firing a cannon ball at a target

and with a bit of wind and air friction, elementary gunnery for the Napoleonic War

I will of course present my models to you for the consideration of others in the interest of MSP

Cheers, many thanks
Robin

falling block4.skp

robint

Hi Anton

Just seen your Turret thingy, blown away by it
30 pages of code - I might as well try and become a brain surgeon!

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=77dcf789-4270-468f-a781-9760c750f67d

Very skilful

Robin

gilles

Just playing with basics,

brought me to some questions:

When you at the screws,
-one is static mesh and is collision shape fits perfectly.

to achieve the same collision shape for the mobil oneI had to it with several components.

Any reason the soft isn't able to calculate the same collision shape but not static?

To make those movements running well I used a workaround.

For rotation we have hinge, motor, servo.
For translation we have slider, piston, why not a linear motor?
For translation + rotation we have corkscrew, why not motor + linear motor , servo + piston, servo + linear motor , linear motor + piston?
For curve we have curvy slider and curvy piston, why not a curvy motor and curvy piston?

Nota bene: just curiosity here, no request.

Vis MSPhysic.skp

robint

At last

Terminal velocity
Time
Distance

Now the basis of my cannon project

Anton has made a sophisticated urret thingy available on 3D warehouse/msphysics

but I want to make a simpler model for a gunner with inputs for
horiz angle
Azimuth
muzzle velocity
Range (from a range finder measurement of a distant target placed at random)
Air density (from Bar pres, RH and temp)
Air friction ?

output > distance landed from target (eg a forward spotter)

Simplistic stuff for a Napoleonic gunnery officer

Maybe a moving target next (eg tank)

On the 7th day god made Robin

falling block6.skp

faust07

Hi Anton, after extensive tests with the fairly complex ice stage model, I can report that everything works very well.
I just had to reverse some curves and exchange the programmed Curvy Piston Joint for the Orca. The calculation of the transformed emitter objects seems to work more precisely.
This costs a little more time for the simulation, but the viewport problems no longer occur.
That's great! Thank you very much!
I have extended the simulation around a rain with middle large hailstones and it works.
And for the future the integration of the good old SketchyPhysics fracture/split function and a kind of soft or flexible surfaces would be great...

Anton_S

Thanks for testing and verifying, Faust. Next feature would be to improve performance of export to Skindigo and Kerkythea. I think there is a way to reduce export redundancy. The fracture thingy would be implemented too.

faust07

Sounds good!