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    • asimonasA Offline
      asimonas
      last edited by

      Hi everyone,

      I'm struggling with lines in Layout 2016- If I have floor plan with scale 1:150, small objects, like doors or furniture became too pixelated.
      I'm always making lines 0,1 in Raster mode - the smallest Layout can offer. I also aware of section cut width in SU styles.

      Is there any way to make line weight ever smaller?
      Vector or Hybrid is simply not possible to work in (when I start to import furniture and plants) even with new iMac 2015. I was really hoping for some improvement in 2016, unfortunately....

      I was trying to change Paper size in Layout's Page Setup - it did not give any result too.

      Attached you'll find pdf plan with scale 1:150 and screenshot with zoomed in rooms. Notice how thick lines appears.
      I've posted this question in Sketchups forum but didn't get any good answer.
      Anyone found solution to this???

      Thank you.


      16#01 PPS.pdf


      Screen Shot 2016-01-14 at 14.19.06.jpg

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      • Dave RD Offline
        Dave R
        last edited by

        We went through this somewhere else.

        What do you have Profiles set to in your style?

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        • D Offline
          driven
          last edited by

          You can try turning the AA levels up on your mac, but you need to do it in SU's 'Ruby Console' as there is no User Interface...

          Open SU and from the menu select 'Window' >> 'Ruby Console', then in the small bottom text area paste this code...

          Test.get_AA_method
          

          in the top window you will see the code followed by the 'return' which will show the default setting...

          @unknownuser said:

          Test.get_AA_method
          0

          then change it using...

           Test.set_AA_method(4)
          

          Restart SU for it to show, then restart LayOut to see any improvement...

          john

          learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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          • asimonasA Offline
            asimonas
            last edited by

            @driven said:

            You can try turning the AA levels up on your mac, but you need to do it in SU's 'Ruby Console' as there is no User Interface...

            Open SU and from the menu select 'Window' >> 'Ruby Console', then in the small bottom text area paste this code...

            Test.get_AA_method
            

            in the top window you will see the code followed by the 'return' which will show the default setting...

            @unknownuser said:

            Test.get_AA_method
            0

            then change it using...

             Test.set_AA_method(4)
            

            Restart SU for it to show, then restart LayOut to see any improvement...

            john

            Could you explain what difference that makes? I did like you said, but see no effect...

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            • Dave RD Offline
              Dave R
              last edited by

              You've never answered my question about the setting for Profiles weight.

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              • asimonasA Offline
                asimonas
                last edited by

                @dave r said:

                You've never answered my question about the setting for Profiles weight.

                Hi Dave, I set my profiles weight to 1, same for section cut lines.

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                • D Offline
                  driven
                  last edited by

                  @asimonas said:

                  ...Could you explain what difference that makes? I did like you said, but see no effect...

                  by default SU currently sets the AA [Anti Aliasing] to 0 from the available range of 0-4...

                  the old SU default use to be 4, but it was changed to 0 due issues with some older AMD graphics cards...

                  changing it to 4, means it will work to the highest standard available...

                  It is unlikely to have any negative effect on such a young mac as yours...

                  LayOut inherits the settings used by SU, so when changed in SU, LO will also change...

                  you should also check the other SU settings as they also have an effect on LO...

                  2016-01-15 09.48.54 pm.png

                  with regards to your pixelated images, are they jpg's?

                  if so they will degrade with each new usage, I would personally use tiff or optimised png but never jpg or gif...

                  if you post one of your highest quality original images, I can check it out internally to see if it can a least preserve it's quality...

                  john

                  learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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                  • asimonasA Offline
                    asimonas
                    last edited by

                    Hi John, thanks for quick reply, I've checked openGL settings, middle one (Use maximum texture size) was off.
                    I rarely export layout to images, but if I do so I use .png. Most often I export to pdf. You can see one attached in my first post. I guess this is just a limit what Sketchup can offer - meaning scale 1:100 is the limit, otherwise objects like furniture just gets too small for Raster Style. And turning on Vector or Hybrid just freezes Layout for minutes.

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                    • D Offline
                      driven
                      last edited by

                      the desks look so bad I thought you had used a jpg image instead of a model for them...

                      what is the texture size on the floor, it may be the reason for the slowdowns...

                      can you post the skp?

                      learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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                      • asimonasA Offline
                        asimonas
                        last edited by

                        Here is dropbox link to the file. Not sure if I can attach it here?

                        https://www.dropbox.com/s/5bgaxkboee505rl/16%2301%20PPS.skp.zip?dl=0

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                          driven
                          last edited by

                          dead link message...

                          We can't find what you're looking for.

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                          • asimonasA Offline
                            asimonas
                            last edited by

                            Here is link to wetransfer:

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                            • pbacotP Offline
                              pbacot
                              last edited by

                              First off, what scene are you trying to use in LayOut? I don't see one quite like the sample picture. Second--and I know it may seem like a workaround,and possibly not related--things might be easier if you replace all the high-poly furniture for longer views. The detailed smoothing on the couches, for example isn't really useful in architectural drawings, but only in closeup interior design scenes.

                              MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                              • RichardR Offline
                                Richard
                                last edited by

                                Try printing to PDF instead of exporting to PDF and change the image output resolution in your PDF printer preferences.

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                                • pbacotP Offline
                                  pbacot
                                  last edited by

                                  Now the only place I know to change output is in the LayOut Document Setup. I don't know of any "PDF printer preferences" on the Mac.

                                  Anyway here is a screenshot that shows "High Output resolution" PDF is quite improved over "High Display resolution". Wasn't sure so that's partly why I suggested printing and seeing if it was "good enough".


                                  Screen Shot 2016-01-17 at 9.23.00 PM.png

                                  MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                                  • RichardR Offline
                                    Richard
                                    last edited by

                                    @pbacot said:

                                    Now the only place I know to change output is in the LayOut Document Setup. I don't know of any "PDF printer preferences" on the Mac.

                                    Not in Layout itself, but when the printer dialogue opens to allow selection of the printer! In windows there is a preference tab, maybe not on a MAC.

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                                    • pbacotP Offline
                                      pbacot
                                      last edited by

                                      I couldn't improve on what you got using raster, and yes going hybrid... well I just forced quit before it finished.

                                      Definitely changing the line size for the model view helps but it looks like you have already got it turned down as far as it would go.

                                      Have you looked at your output yet--printed at best output?

                                      Besides going to a real CAD package, if you have to get by with this, print to pdf at higher scale and reduce the image to print?

                                      MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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