SketchUp 2016 is here....
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Boy this is tough. I want to be excited about this version, but....
It's like having a bad holiday meal at your Mom's house. You do not want to tell your Mom she cooked a stinker. You don't want her mad or embarrassed. You don't want to get scolded by your siblings for telling the truth that most everyone is thinking. You shudder at the notion your friends will think you are a jerk for saying something. But, this has been happening for the past several holidays. Somebody has to tell Mom, right? Hey Mom, you have done better and I was really looking forward to your legendary cooking. I mean you spent a lot of money and time on it, but this meal was not good at all. Then comes the other truth that you don't want to admit. Your Mom has been losing her hearing.
How was the holiday meal?
You answer
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@sfto1 said:
Boy this is tough. I want to be excited about this version, but....
It's like having a bad holiday meal at your Mom's house. You do not want to tell your Mom she cooked a stinker. You don't want her mad or embarrassed. You don't want to get scolded by your siblings for telling the truth that most everyone is thinking. You shudder at the notion your friends will think you are a jerk for saying something. But, this has been happening for the past several holidays. Somebody has to tell Mom, right? Hey Mom, you have done better and I was really looking forward to your legendary cooking. I mean you spent a lot of money and time on it, but this meal was not good at all. Then comes the other truth that you don't want to admit. Your Mom has been losing her hearing.
How was the holiday meal?
You answer
and run for cover.Hmm, dunno if this analogy works, Has your mum's cooking gotten worse? or are you just not happy that she is not cooking the Thanksgiving dinner the way Martha Stewart would? The way I see it the Turkey is cooked the same traditional way as it always has, and being the showcase of the table i would not want it to ever change, now there are some that asked for Sweet potato casserole with melted marshmallows on top but did not get it instead a slightly improved normal sweet potato side.
We did get an improved presentation, lets call it the table decoration and we got a better stuffing, this time it was cooked separately as a side so it's not as soggy as traditional stuffing.
Then you have the other part of the day (layout) before it was passing out on the couch watching your football team lose, this year you get to pass out on a comfy lazyboy and your football team actually winning (unless you are a Dallas cowboy fan). -
@holmes said:
And it seems it's even more restricted in v2016 - this from our licence e-mail, confirming same as earlier poster:
Single user licence - once your 2016 licence is authorised, your 2015 licence will not be able to be installed on any new computers (but will continue to run as an existing installation).
Seriously?!
Hmm, guess I'll have to try 2016 on a secondary computer just as a trial. Not liking the sound of the toolbars getting bigger.
Wonder if there's any limit to how long you have before "upgrading" to 2016. I'd like to wait until the plugins are generally up to speed before messing with the update.
Wow Pete, your analogy stretched around my screen several times
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The tool bars are not bigger see image, top is new 2016 toolbars and lower are the 2014 toolbars
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@solo said:
The tool bars are not bigger see image, top is new 2016 toolbars and lower are the 2014 toolbars
Solo they are larger on my computer.
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@unknownuser said:
@solo said:
The tool bars are not bigger see image, top is new 2016 toolbars and lower are the 2014 toolbars
Solo they are larger on my computer.
Have you tried to Untick "Use Large tool buttons" In Window/Preferences/Workspace
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@unknownuser said:
@solo said:
The tool bars are not bigger see image, top is new 2016 toolbars and lower are the 2014 toolbars
Solo they are larger on my computer.
I'm using Win 7, so not sure about win 10
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Nor on win 10
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@solo said:
I'm using Win 7, so not sure about win 10
Off topic, but I think you wrote somewhere quite a while ago that you had installed Windows 10 beta.
Have you downgraded again or do I remember wrong?
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I'm disappointed that after years of maintenance and upgrade fees, there are no native tools for parametric modeling (like profile builder 2) or interior lighting options. Having the ability to use third party plugins is great, but having to pay upgrade fees and not have increased modeling options is a bit of a stinker.
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The "technology:meal" analogies miss the mark because food doesn't really change. Technology however does change, these days at a frighteningly frantic pace. Yet SketchUp doesn't... watching the development is almost like watching moss grow on a rock.
The writing has been on the wall for several years regarding the slow strangling of a once promising package -- but I guess some are happy to "go down with the ship".... or "fade away into obscurity together".
For myself, I don't have money to waste on a software that is not keeping pace with technological developement (or the third-party ecosystem artificially propping it up). I do find it hilarious that they (Trimble) expect users to buy the updates, sight unseen, via continous subscription... plenty of suckers out there I guess.
I have to laugh at the blatent display of a startling combination of greed, ineptitude and lack of vision/leadership. Under normal circumstances I might expect them to be ashamed of themselves... but I learned a while ago they have absolutely no shame.
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Here are a set of images from 2015 and 2016.
Computer Windows 7 professional. Company computer, can't change operating system.
Note also, I use PicPick as image capture and when I moved a toolbar icon to the drawing area in verision 2016, I could capture an image of the toolbar's icon, however, in 2015 I had to move the toolbar off the drawing screen to make a capture, as they disappear in 2015 unless they are off the drawing area. Both captured images where to the left side of the drawing window.
Ken
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Looks like the spacing between icons is larger in the vertical toolbars
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@solo said:
Looks like the spacing between icons is larger in the vertical toolbars
Everything is bigger, I could get the pixal sizes, but I can work with it. Just means, I have to learn another toolbar setup.
My big concern now is all the plugins that are appearing. But, heck I will deal with that also.
Ken
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@jql said:
There was one major thing that made all the difference for people using complex stuff and rendering... 64-bit...
That soothed a lot of criticism but since then all seems to be about sketchup plugins: creating the right enviroment for plugin developers to specialize sketchup.
Quite frankly I can understand why. Sketchup is used by too many people with too many scopes.
What the trimble folks could do is, keep doing that as a side task but select from the stuff all people are needing, no matter what they're doing, and develop that way.
Things that have been suggested here and have been on wishlists forever seem to be pointing there, however and unfortunatelly, it seems those things are being regarded by trimble as utopic.
Sincerelly, the problem is that Sketchup simply works and even if it could be way better than it is, it is still fit for everyone.
Trimble are certainly aware of that.
If I understand correctly what you want to say, is that "Trimble knows best and we should relax and trust the Master".
If is that, I have to disagree. Trimble knows s#it. They only know their pocket. So, why to pay developers to improve sketchup when they can use them in other projects where more money come? And just to have reasons to push a new license, to ask for new money, they just added quickly some changes... which I hardly suspect it took all maybe around one month with testing/debugging and fee weekends. But yey, one week work and some $$$$$ in their account.How things SHOULD be, would be COMMON SENSE. Yes, I agree that everyone asks for their own scope... and apparently isn't a common request. But in reality there is. Just need to look for it.
Other platforms and websites (weebly) have a very nice system: you can post a number of requests. And you also have a limited number of votes which you can use to vote for other requests. And in time, some of the requests will start to rise above, to reveal the true needs. Is so simple...I strongly believe that everyone who paid a subscription for this new version should make a claim for refund, because this is really NOT a new version. As it was said earlier in this topic, is merely a Service Pack, a Maintenance version. Which normally would be a free update.
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I didn't think you paid for a version, but subscribed to updates and maintenance for the year.
I don't think people deserve input into a product. Nice when it happens. We can just go elsewhere. On the other hand it doesn't take special interests or particular input to know what needs doing in SketchUp ; like ability to handle weightier models, better rendering (just something like Visualizer integrated--not full rendering). That is, graphic, UI, and performance improvements, which are not use-specific.
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@pbacot said:
I didn't think you paid for a version, but subscribed to updates and maintenance for the year.
I don't think people deserve input into a product. Nice when it happens. We can just go elsewhere. On the other hand it doesn't take special interests or particular input to know what needs doing in SketchUp ; like ability to handle weightier models, better rendering (just something like Visualizer integrated--not full rendering). That is, graphic, UI, and performance improvements, which are not use-specific.
Yes, you are right partly... subscribed to updates, so everyone got what they paid for (maintenance releases were always free, if i know right).
But then, if they throw you an extra icon, or just small adjustments and they say "here it is, your updates you subscribed for", makes it right? There shouldn't be any control of at least decent amount of updates you get? There is customer protection for all goods you physically buy, why shouldn't be for software too?
And about customer input, let's see... this forum is the eldest in matter, I would bet here are the best SU specialists you can find, so when you do a niche program (because SU is a niche program - for 3d makers/artists of all kind), you'd better hear what they have to say.
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@derei said:
If I understand correctly what you want to say, is that "Trimble knows best and we should relax and trust the Master".
You didn't understand correctly.
Having something that works is an asset that nobody can take away from Trimble. However, having it underdeveloped is a way to make it decay over time.
@derei said:
If is that, I have to disagree. Trimble knows s#it. They only know their pocket. So, why to pay developers to improve sketchup when they can use them in other projects where more money come? And just to have reasons to push a new license, to ask for new money, they just added quickly some changes... which I hardly suspect it took all maybe around one month with testing/debugging and fee weekends. But yey, one week work and some $$$$$ in their account.
Even if I overall think you're overreacting, I think we are on the same page as to feeling development isn't pointing the right way and we are lacking many features.
@unknownuser said:
How things SHOULD be, would be COMMON SENSE. Yes, I agree that everyone asks for their own scope... and apparently isn't a common request. But in reality there is. Just need to look for it.
Other platforms and websites (weebly) have a very nice system: you can post a number of requests. And you also have a limited number of votes which you can use to vote for other requests. And in time, some of the requests will start to rise above, to reveal the true needs. Is so simple...As I was trying to say, many of the feature requests are very narrow scoped, but some really do fit everyone's needs. They're easy to track and the Sketchup team should follow all the clues scattered all around the forums.
I like that voting idea, it's also as Substance works their Feature Requests and it leads to a more responsible way of asking for FR and also to a more certain way of knowing what are the main users concerns.
Another criticism I have on Sketchup development is that all the features that have been launched, stall the minute they've been launched. They get no upgrades, improvements on usability, increased possibilites... They just are there and all their limitations or potentials freeze...
I mean:
- Solid tools has seen no further development;
- Dynamic components have seen very little development;
- Texturing tools have been like they are for since I remember;
- Sections are as simplistic as they've ever been;
- All inspectors have no improvements;
- Even plugin management or UI is random at best...
- Classifier hasn't been further evolved
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Why they've been in that vegetative state of development I can't know... Are they perfect already?
Or aren't they worth developing.
The major feature that kept being developed was Layout.
That is the main difference in software that makes people need of having Sketchup Pro (disregarding the fact that you must licence it to use commercially.)
The real question here is, as I said before, all these features work, but all of them are limited and could be working so much better, be ahead of competition in every aspect and still be true to Sketchup simple use.
We have them, but they just are not the cutting edge... I don't believe Sketchup want's them to be, hence the last statement:
@jql said:
Sincerelly, the problem is that Sketchup simply works and even if it could be way better than it is, it is still fit for everyone.
Trimble are certainly aware of that.
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@kaas said:
You should be able to drag the tray to the second monitor though.
You can actually. I do just that.
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