Finally gone back(i mean forward) to a PC!
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@olishea said:
So yeah, not all Apple repairs go as smoothly as you claim!
i didn't claim they go smoothly.. i said there are other ways to have a mac fixed besides it being shipped away and wiped clean (in response to juju)
and saying this again:
@unknownuser said:
it's about nearly anything to be said in a mac vs pc argument, there are also valid counterpoints.. from either side.
i'm not arguing 'mac is better'.. i think if you re-read some of what i wrote, you'll see thats not my stance..**
build your own.. right. cheaper, more customizable, more fun if that's what you're into, easier user serviceability (i mean, you built the thing.. swapping out a part should be cake), etcetc.. that's fine and i really don't think people are arguing against that.. but at the same time, you (in general) have to recognize the majority of people don't build their own computers.. it's not as if people don't understand what you're saying and that we need it explained.. just that most people would rather buy a plugnplay electronic.
on the mac side of that, there are people building their own and using osx.. either hackintosh or buy a 4.1 box then pimp it..
probably easier for this stuff to happen with a windows based mindset but it's not the only way nor is it the best way.. to a certain degree, whatever is best for that individual is what's best.** on the bit about repairs though, i would actually argue mac is better.. but it's not really an argument.. this is year after year from consumer reports and the like:
@unknownuser said:
In our latest reader survey of computer technical support, Apple bested its own scores from last year's survey and walloped other brand-name computer manufacturers.
The company scored far higher than the other big companies for the elements that make for successful online and phone support: ease of contacting staff, clarity of advice, technical knowledge, patience, and time for follow-up.
Apple's in-house technical support service, the Genius Bar, rated as high as support provided by phone or online. Whatever way readers asked for tech help—by phone (the most common way), online, or in person—Apple was also able to solve more computer problems. Independent shops that make custom computers came closest to Apple.
Clearly, there's room for improvement in tech support: 24 to 40 percent of respondents who sought phone or online help from makers of Windows-based computers said the staff's patience, knowledge, or clarity was fair at best.
(though in my experience at least, macs don't break to begin with.. probably most other computers don't break either)
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@unknownuser said:
probably most other computers don't break either)
That sums it up.
Break downs are rare. The pc I just retired went 12 years with out a hick-up. It is still in use. -
Why are we resurrecting this Mac v PC argument again?! Guys, let it go! There are valid reasons to choose either (although I'm Windows All. Day. Long). When I was making a decision 4 yrs ago as to which one I would choose, I did a bit of research and found out that Mac computers were problematic when it came to design/CAD software. It was a no-brainer for me to opt for a PC. I just didn't want that risk. Could be different these days though. I'm not sure if there are still issues in that area for Mac.
Oli, don't feel under pressure to try and illustrate ridiculous rendering times in comparison to your previous machine. I'm not interested in a comparison of that nature. I'm just interested in your render times full stop! Can you do a test using Maxwell Render, to give me a better idea?
Anita
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@neets said:
Why are we resurrecting this Mac v PC argument again?!
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I'm not sure if there are still issues in that area for Mac.isn't that what you just did?
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The "problematic" issue for Mac involving CAD was probably Autodesk decided not to support Mac OS in the past. I've used PC and AutoCAD some in training, but I have used Mac since 88 for CAD. There's no problem. AutoCAD is now back on Mac to some extent, but I never wanted to use it for my work in the first place.
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@numerobis said:
http://www.maxwellrender.com/benchwell
a 4970K should be around 10 min and ~BM450
But you have to read the list very carfully today and compare the results and infos, because it is messed up with many bad entries without specs and info. Results of clearly overclocked machines without any info about the real clock rates - the GHz number in the Processor column only shows the stock speed.
Thanks for this; I remember checking the Benchwell list previously but, like you've said, I was concerned about the authenticity of the specs! Oli's result might be more accurate.
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@pbacot said:
The "problematic" issue for Mac involving CAD was probably Autodesk decided not to support Mac OS in the past. I've used PC and AutoCAD some in training, but I have used Mac since 88 for CAD. There's no problem. AutoCAD is now back on Mac to some extent, but I never wanted to use it for my work in the first place.
You're right, it did involve AutoCAD a lot and that was one of my requirements because I needed to use AutoCAD for my design studies. I appreciate that a number of issues may have been resolved but when I did my research, a lot of the feedback was that Windows was generally more straightforward when using (external) CAD/design software.
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@neets said:
I'm just interested in your render times full stop! Can you do a test using Maxwell Render, to give me a better idea?
http://www.maxwellrender.com/benchwell
a 4970K should be around 10 min and ~BM450
But you have to read the list very carefully today and compare the results and infos, because it is messed up with many bad entries without specs and info. Results of clearly overclocked machines without any info about the real clock rates - the GHz number in the Processor column only shows the stock speed.
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I don't even have or use Maxwell sorry! It's a good bit of kit though.
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@jeff hammond said:
hey neets.. i think the trick with maxwell is to set it up where you're not watching it render
I'm guessing this is a very unsubtle remark about the time it can take for Maxwell to render??! Doesn't bother me in the slightest - the results speak for themselves
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i use indigo.. same deal
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Did a quick comparison test.
Obviously my new PC is faster than my old imac....but just for giggles, here is the difference in Thea Render.
I can't use my old Mac GPU for Thea rendering, can't be bothered finding out why, it's incompatible.
Mac render time CPU: 140 seconds
PC render time CPU: 23 seconds (7 times quicker)
PC render time GPU: 14 seconds (10 times quicker)
PC render time CPU + GPU : 10 seconds (14 times quicker)
@Kristoff and Stefan: Temperature maxed out at 74 Degrees Celsius when rendering a longer scene. Thermal Status: OK
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