Animating Water Spray
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i see.."De gustibus non disputandum est" so if you love lumion that's fine.. BUT give a look at this.. and then anyone it's free to judge by himself the capabilityes of a 2000$application vs a 3000$ application so both intended to be professional grade packaging but i think if your work frequently belongs to water dinamics renders and so on the realism offered by software like houdini and similar packagings is so outstanding that in comparison lumion look like totally fake NPR renderings.. just my opinion.. if you like them just stuk with'em it's fine for me.. peace and love..
sorry for my poor english
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I will not debate your point because there is some truth in it. Your English makes it come off a little harsh though.
I do this because it gets me work. In fact so much that I am going to hire a modeller for the first time in my career. (my son..lol) Once upon a time I came across a product that stopped me in it's tracks. I turned it on and played with it all day like a big kid. About half way through that same day it came out of the blue like lightening (or I guess that would be black).....it struck me that I could make money with this thing. "This thing" was Sketchup. That day I got a feeling I have had only one other time since.
That other time was my first day with Lumion.Lumion has it's limits for the consummate rendering artist. But so far it has no limits for me in terms of earning power. I am not a talented rendering artist. I am a hard working illustrator who loves his tools and has found a way to make money with them.
Thank you Sketchup!
Thank you Lumion!
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"I will not debate your point"
What I forgot to mention is, I am willing to debate you but through my work. If you want to talk, you take a copy of the model when it is available after Christmas and we will have a go.
I'll be proud to let the forum judge at that point where the value is.
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i 100% understand your point when you say sketchup is easy and productive and maybe fun to use and so maybe lumion.. i also understand that you want to have the faster and easier result and you don't want to learn a specific supermodeler/simulator software, also i have to say this is the very same exact reason why i actually don'use houdini and i use sketchup instead for my actual work..
but some time ago i had some fun actually experimenting whit demo version of phoenix PD runningon my friend's 3dsmax.. actually this kid of software may appear intimidating from a sketchup user point of view whit so mmuch parameters and stuff.. but if you are not doing hollywood VFX in your everyday job (actually i think you won't neiter be paid to make enchanted forests in lumion
) then handling some pretty basic simulations which can be useful let'say for you actual car-wash or fireplace or maybe some simple fountains and so on..i never get paid for some of this renders but the day i will do.. i will for sure consider try to learn some basic houdini (from what i can read here and there, "phoenix fd" which i tested is also a toy in comparison to houdini and it is not standalone you need 3dsmax or maya to run it) houdini can also model and render by itself and again my bad english don'help me to understand 100% but it seems to exist a cheap version of houdini you can use if you are not into film industry so i'think i will try this for fun as soon as possible..
to demostrate the relative easiness of use of this kinds of fluid simulators thake a look at this jokes me and my friend did on a laptop having fun for an afternoon with phoenix.. and with a couple of click you can also pick collision objects like in the chocolate example below.. this can easily avoid the "mikey mouse effect" of the lumion water splashes wich penetrate into the car glasses in your example..
let's consider we did this in an afternon because we were learning but the tutorial guy do this simulations in maybe 12mins and i would bet this could be set up in a couple of minute if you have a minimum of experience and you are actually on deadline and not doing tutorials and explaing every step.i apologize again for my bad english but maybe it's still better than your italian
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" If you want to talk, you take a copy of the model when it is available after Christmas and we will have a go."
For this you have no answer so I guess the debate is over. I didn't think you would surrender so quickly.
So at this point we are done talking.
I'll be waiting here if you find your pants. -
i was suggesting to try something specific not "competing" or insulting so i'm very happy to "surrend"
go on insultig and competing all alone. i'm too busy searching for my pants..
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@ashscott.... I wasn't kidding in case you thought I forgot.
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Yeah I get ya Roland - and I really appreciate the offer. But I currently have Four SU files that make up the basic animation and their continually changing as we review parts of the animation. Its such an iterative process, there is literally dozens of hours of animation work to be done.
I'll PM you a short example animated with Keyframe so you can see what I mean
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Iteration is my middle name.
I work for an firm that does storefront restorations. We take the present building and peel back the layers to find the original. Every window, door, every brick for that matter is reviewed and iterations are developed until the owner is satisfied. Here is a link to some images in process and being traded at the moment. I have completed more than 50 in the last year and I have a list of 29 and counting to complete.
[url][/http://ibuildmodels.com/JMC2/cannington_downtown.htmlurl]I'm happy to take back the offer. As you can see I have my hands full.
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I made a mess of the URL and as you know we can't edit here in the fish tank so here is another attempt
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Returning to original question, I do not believe any SU friendly animation software can help with what you need, I would use Blender fluid/water physics to solve this problem. I bet you could learn it in a day and have a great result in 3.
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Something was sent to my PM but it was just a mess..like the front end of the PM system itself. I didn't even see a "reply" button..lol...so I am responding here.
I don't think you can send me a file bigger than a flea so don't worry. There is really no need to send me the file anyway....cheers!
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I'd back Pete's suggestion. Blender offer sublime control and tools to makes your animations whatever you want them to be.
You still model in SU. Just bring Blender into the pipeline for animation and rendering.
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WOW Rich - that is really great. I need to do something like that as well. Any Blendor tutorials that would teach me how to do that (almost identical to what you showed).
Now for a crazy question - would something like that be viewable in the SketchUcation viewer?
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Blender has the most extensive YouTube coverage regards learning.
But regards using particles to spray blenderguru has a tutorial still valid today that is based on a flamethrower.
He also has one on rain worth checking out.
Re : viewer
Not a chance....at the moment
If its successful then we're limited only by our own imagination.
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@rich o brien said:
Re : viewer
Not a chance....at the moment
If its successful then we're limited only by our own imagination.
It WILL be successful from what I am seeing (will have to wait and see about the pricing though
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@roland joseph said:
@unknownuser said:
I bet you could learn it in a day and have a great result in 3.
laughing? what?? he's 100% right.
try to learn something, if you are not able to.. stop offending people.
it's just irritating and pointless.
@ moderators
is offending people allowed by forum's rules?
seems like this person loves to provoke people here and there..
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Be nice is the main rule.
If someone thinks they are getting unfair treatment you can report that thread, post or person.
My advice would be engage with those that offer and add value.
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Once upon a post there was a handy solution to the origiinal request...
@unknownuser said:
Ok, let me tidy this thing up, set up an animation plan and I'll get back to you.
...but from the very next post forward it went very bad. All the chatter in the background seems to have spoiled a good thing. At least I would have enjoyed creating a little animated piece for you. It has been a while since I made that kind of offer.
Once upon a time my suggestion would have prompted others to try their own hand at an example with their own tools. As you know....a picture...a thousand words,,, and so on.
That didn't happen.....things have changed.
There is a lot for you to learn to pull off this animation whether it be Lumion or Blender. To suggest 3 days is going to get you satisfactory results is not realistic.
Anyone who has created the scene you have described and animated it, including water effects will say that it is very advanced and tedious work.If it does become a priority for you to complete this work I still offer free Lumion advise when and if you buy a licence. I have no affiliation to Lumion. I just enjoy unusual projects.
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