Off Screen Dialog.
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I've narrowed it down to these two files inside of the LiveIvy folder.
SU2015-64 will not start unless these two files, these exact files... Not the newer versions, but these exact files are in their respective folders inside SU2015 Plugins.
This LiveIvy_tool.rb file at location.
\AppData\Roaming\SketchUp\SketchUp 2015\SketchUp\Plugins\LiveIvy\LiveIvy_tool.rbThis ivyleaf_3.skp at location.
\AppData\Roaming\SketchUp\SketchUp 2015\SketchUp\Plugins\LiveIvy\Textures\ivyleaf_3.skpIf I delete the entire Live Ivy install, folder and plugin file. SU2015 will not start.
How in the hell can a skp be required to start SU.
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As I explained to you in a recent PM...
Your Plugins folder is quite frankly a mess.
You have copied old plugins files from an earlier version.
Some required 'helper' files have not been copied over OR reinstalled.
Some 'system' files that ought only to be in Tools seem to have ill-advisedly copied older versions loading from Plugins !
You also have some old files that are encoded incompatibly with v2014/2015.Once that is fixed you might find that LiveIvy behaves, currently I don't see how it could be causing issues, the 'skp' weirdness is also a mystery. The older version of LiveIvy does auto-load and immediately load the three ivyleaf_1.skp, .._2.skp and .._3.skp components, so as it loads and they are not there it will cause errors - perhaps even splats - BUT if it does not load at all [i.e. it's not there] how can it cause any issues...
I suspect this a tangled web of errors.
Try tidying up the Plugins folder issues as I explained in my PM.
Then remove all LiveIvy files/subfolder, and reinstall from new...
If it's still bust then perhaps PM me screen-shots showing ALL .rb/.rbs files that are loading from the Plugins folderS...
OR error messages from the Console...
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@unknownuser said:
As I explained to you in a recent PM...
Your Plugins folder is quite frankly a mess.
You have copied old plugins files from an earlier version.I don't see how it can be a "Mess"... The only two plugins I copied over were LiveIvy and SCF powerbars. Everything else was installed one at a time from either the Plugin Store or the Extension Warehouse. Perhaps I installed older version from those places, but I tested each one as I installed them. Restarting SU everytime. Perhaps these are errors so small it doesn't effect the plugin itself or SU when starting? I've never experienced that before.
@unknownuser said:
Some required 'helper' files have not been copied over OR reinstalled.
Some 'system' files that ought only to be in Tools seem to have ill-advisedly copied older versions loading from Plugins !
You also have some old files that are encoded incompatibly with v2014/2015.
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Are you talking about the SCF powebar? I found that of the 3 bars one caused errors and when it was removed everything else seems to work on with no errors?@unknownuser said:
Once that is fixed you might find that LiveIvy behaves, currently I don't see how it could be causing issues,
I'll remove everything except Live Ivy and see what happens.
the 'skp' weirdness is also a mystery. The older version of LiveIvy does auto-load and immediately load the three ivyleaf_1.skp, .._2.skp and .._3.skp components, so as it loads and they are not there it will cause errors - perhaps even splats - BUT if it does not load at all [i.e. it's not there] how can it cause any issues...
When I install the new LiveIvy it should not affect the skp loading because it overwrites that skp with a new version with the exact same name. So it should just load the new one. How could it need a specific skp? strange indeed.@unknownuser said:
I suspect this a tangled web of errors.
Try tidying up the Plugins folder issues as I explained in my PM.
Then remove all LiveIvy files/subfolder, and reinstall from new...
If it's still bust then perhaps PM me screen-shots showing ALL .rb/.rbs files that are loading from the Plugins folderS...
OR error messages from the Console...
Will do... And stop rolling your eyes at me...
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Yeah... removing all plugins except for Live Ivy new version and it works fine.
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Print off the PM I sent you...
Read it and tick-off the items as you go...
In it I analyzed each error in that long error-message you gave me, and clearly explained what they each meant.
For example - incorrectly located/duplicated [old] files]in the wrong folder, missing helper files, incompatible encoded files, syntax in files' coding now incompatible with Ruby2 etc...If you fix those then the errors will stop and the new LiveIvy WILL load and work !
Perhaps we should continue this sub-topic by PM, as this is more to do with fixing your Plugins folders' 'mess' so that you can use LiveIvy, rather than any LiveIvy issue per se...
Less 'doing your laundry in public' too... -
I must have missed this pm... I'll go back and look again.
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Ok... TIG squared away my 'mess'... Many thanks to the Master.
Seems like I had a few broken files.
Brighter3D.rb
bimobject_connection.rb
ae_AttributeInspector.rb
ae_ToolbarEditor.rbAll four of these were fixed by reinstalling from the plugin store or their respective websites. The latter 3 were identical to their broken counterparts when compared in Winmerge.
did the same thing, but alas... No newer version exists.
cd_power_m.rb
cd_power_extension_m.rb
cd_power_n.rbadding any one of these files back into my plugins folder resulted in the off screen dialog lockup. (SU stops loading and any clicks make the donk noise indicating you need to make a choice on a dialog before continuing.)
And the Powerbar I didn't try re-adding yet because of all it's old misplaced files associated. So good call Driven.
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UPDATE:
I was still having my issue anytime I installed an "old" or somehow "bad" plugin... A friend suggested I use this program altdrag to search for this offscreen dialog. After installing it and then installing a known offscreen producing plugin, SU started with the Ruby Error screen on my main monitor within view. I surmise this Ruby error console is being hidden offscreen or under something.
When trying to recreate the solution with a second loading of SU2015-64 the offscreen dialog error is back and I cannot find the error dialog even when looking with altdrag. So the first loading after the install of altdrag will be your only chance to read the error.
I suspect this issue has something to do with my multiscreen settings allowing a dialog to be offscreen. I use nvida surround and sli along with displayfusion for taskbar and background controls.
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I didn't wanted to chime in from the start believing that this might be a silly thing, but once I used 2 monitors and when I turned one off, the windows that used to be on that one were missing from my main monitor. I had to start that one on and move my windows, each one, even the applications that used to show on it. If you change your graphic settings to one monitor, I believe the window that is hidden will appear.
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It's a good guess and I've tried it... No luck.
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