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    • D Offline
      driven
      last edited by

      `tt,
      that's your browser not recognising the UFT8 apple icon. IE sometimes will show the Windows icon.

      I use it as a line marker for mac only scripts I'm testing, so when I had 3 time now's I could find the end of each easily.
      john

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        thomthom
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        I use Firefox.
        Firefox understands UTF-8. There's some conversion going on here that mangles the formatting.

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          driven
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          Link Preview Image
          The Apple Logo in Unicode

          favicon

          (hea-www.harvard.edu)

          @unknownuser said:

          This is probably fine for Mac-only applications. But it is NOT appropriate, and even WRONG, and it will NOT work properly as a general web page character. The problem is that the unicode value used is one of several that is set aside for private use. That means that each operating system, or application, or implementation is free to use those unicode characters for anything they want. It just so happens that Apple has chosen to use unicode character U+F8FF (decimal value 63743, or on the web as either  or ) as the Apple Logo. But some Windows fonts put in a Windows logo. And some other fonts put in a Klingon Mummification glyph. Or elven script. Or anything they want. And if it isn't defined in your local font, you'll just see a square. So who knows what you might see when I put the character in right here: 

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            thomthom
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            Ah - a non-standard. That explains it.

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              driven
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              Found the problem, and a massive speed-up...
              > t=Time.now fontList=(/opt/X11/bin/fc-list : file family | grep /Library/Fonts).split("\n").collect { |f| f.split(":")[1] }.collect { |f| f.split(",")[0] }.to_a.uniq.compact.sort[5..-1] fin=Time.now-t puts fontList.length puts fin, Time.now-t puts fontList puts Time.now-t 296 0.049741 0.056441 *...print fonts* 1.440642
              however............ not everyone has X11
              john

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                driven
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                But, the good news is brew install fontconfig will put it in 'usr/local/bin/fc-list' without all the X11 or hidden system fonts... speed on first run, slower, but still acceptable
                then, the penny dropped that you no longer need grep or one of the collects, so
                t=Time.now fontList=(/usr/local/bin/fc-list : family ).split("\n").collect { |f| f.split(",")[0] }.to_a.uniq.compact.sort fin=Time.now-t puts fontList.length puts fin, Time.now-t puts fontList puts fontList.length puts fin, Time.now-t 274 0.017442 0.023794 ...print fonts 1.363478
                not to shabby
                john

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                • TIGT Offline
                  TIG Moderator
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                  So you HAVE got fc-list to work after all! 😄
                  Don't you need to include 'file' in the output as well as 'family' and grep for '.ttf' because 3dText needs a /ttf and the 'family only' way might also list .otf fonts etc too, which 3dText might baulk at ?
                  Something more like:
                  fontList=(/usr/local/bin/fc-list : file family | grep .ttf:).split("\n").collect{|f|f.split(": ")[1].split(",")[0]}.to_a.uniq.compact.sort
                  I'm not sure how you deal with the ".ttf:" - it perhaps needs some \ escaping ??
                  If the 'grep' inside the MAC OS side is slower than doing a 'next unless f=~/.ttf: /' on the Ruby side, then you can add it into the 'collect' block instead...

                  TIG

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                  • thomthomT Offline
                    thomthom
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                    You got data back from fc-list using SketchUp Ruby??? ... but using a full path, that's the only change?

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                    • thomthomT Offline
                      thomthom
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                      fontList=(/usr/local/bin/fc-list : family ) returned nothing on my machine.

                      Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                        driven
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                        @tig said:

                        So you HAVE got fc-list to work after all! 😄
                        Don't you need to include 'file' in the output as well as 'family' and grep for '.ttf' because 3dText needs a /ttf and the 'family only' way might also list .otf fonts etc too, which 3dText might baulk at ?

                        YES... using fontList=(**/opt/X11/bin/fc-list** : file family | grep \/Library\/Fonts), but just to avoid X11 fonts, otherwise, all types [.ttf, otf, ttc] returned, work in SU [tested last weekend], so /Library/Fonts filter is OK.

                        @unknownuser said:

                        If the 'grep' inside the MAC OS side is slower than doing a 'next unless f=~/.ttf: /' on the Ruby side, then you can add it into the 'collect' block instead...

                        it's the core dump size that slows things down
                        IF YOU HAVE IT INSTALLED...
                        > t=Time.now fontList=(/opt/X11/bin/fc-list : file family `)
                        fin=Time.now-t
                        puts fontList.length
                        puts fin

                        138048
                        0.055793
                        nilBut,**%(#0040FF)[IF YOU HAVE IT INSTALLED...]** > t=Time.now
                        fontList=(/usr/local/bin/fc-list : file family )
                        fin=Time.now-t
                        puts fontList.length
                        puts fin

                        22832
                        0.073191
                        nil

                        t=Time.now
                        fontList=(/usr/local/bin/fc-list : family )
                        fin=Time.now-t
                        puts fontList.length
                        puts fin

                        5921
                        0.016585
                        nil`
                        now I've realised the full path bit, there may be other ways without using fc-list...
                        john

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                          You are using these paths:

                          /opt/X11/bin/fc-list
                          /usr/local/bin/fc-list

                          That didn't work for me (10.5). But this worked:
                          /usr/X11/bin/fc-list

                          Are any of the paths working across OSX versions?

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                            thomthom
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                            So, because I've had problems even getting the data I've ignored the fact that you've been also getting the filename and grepping out by path. What is the reason for this. So you only get fonts that works in SketchUp?

                            Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                              thomthom
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                              This worked on my machine:

                              <span class="syntaxdefault"><br />data&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=&nbsp;(`</span><span class="syntaxstring">/usr/X11/bin/fc-list&nbsp;;&nbsp;file&nbsp;family&nbsp;|&nbsp;grep&nbsp;\/Library\/Fonts</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">`)<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">fonts&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">data</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">scan</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(/[^;]+[;]\</span><span class="syntaxdefault">s</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">*(.*)/).</span><span class="syntaxdefault">flatten</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">fonts</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">map</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!&nbsp;{&nbsp;|</span><span class="syntaxdefault">string</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">|&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">string</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">split</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(</span><span class="syntaxstring">','</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">)&nbsp;}.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">flatten</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxcomment">#&nbsp;Some&nbsp;lines&nbsp;include&nbsp;multiple&nbsp;fonts.<br />&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault"></span>
                              

                              😍

                              Now it's just a matter of reliably finding the path on all the systems.

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                                thomthom
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                                <span class="syntaxdefault"><br />def&nbsp;get_osx_fonts<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;fc_list_locations&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=&nbsp;[<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxstring">'/opt/X11/bin/fc-list'</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">,<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxstring">'/usr/local/bin/fc-list'</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">,<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxstring">'/usr/X11/bin/fc-list'<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">]<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">fc_list&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">fc_list_locations</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">find&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">{&nbsp;|</span><span class="syntaxdefault">location</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">|&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">File</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">exist</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">?(&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">location&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">)&nbsp;}<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;if&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">fc_list</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">nil</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">?<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">puts&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxstring">'Warning;&nbsp;Could&nbsp;not&nbsp;find&nbsp;fc-list!'<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">return&nbsp;[]<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">end<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;data&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=&nbsp;(`</span><span class="syntaxstring">#{fc_list}&nbsp;;&nbsp;file&nbsp;family&nbsp;|&nbsp;grep&nbsp;\/Library\/Fonts</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">`)<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">fonts&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">data</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">scan</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(/[^;]+[;]\</span><span class="syntaxdefault">s</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">*(.*)/).</span><span class="syntaxdefault">flatten</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">fonts</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">map</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!&nbsp;{&nbsp;|</span><span class="syntaxdefault">string</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">|&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">string</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">split</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(</span><span class="syntaxstring">','</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">)&nbsp;}.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">flatten</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxcomment">#&nbsp;Some&nbsp;lines&nbsp;include&nbsp;multiple&nbsp;fonts.<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">fonts</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">uniq</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">fonts</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">sort</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxcomment">#&nbsp;(!)&nbsp;Not&nbsp;UTF-8&nbsp;compatible!&nbsp;But&nbsp;better&nbsp;than&nbsp;nothing.<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault">fonts<br />end<br /></span>
                                

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                                  driven
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                                  hi TT,
                                  I did PM before I saw this, I would split it into 3 conditional block

                                  the first would use /usr/local/bin/fc-list
                                  if you revisit http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=48761&p=443899#p441686 you'll see that you don't need to grep /usr/local/bin/fc-list, because it avoids the system and X11 fonts already.

                                  second choose last in find /**/bin/fc-list array, for the latest X11 version

                                  third default to 'FontBook' it's on every mac....

                                  john

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                                  • thomthomT Offline
                                    thomthom
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                                    Isn't fc-list on every mac?

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                                      driven
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                                      @thomthom said:

                                      Isn't fc-list on every mac?

                                      TT... don't you read PM's or the posts... [I am laughing]

                                      reminds me of when you answer some of your 'clients'

                                      The whole reason I went round in circles is fc=list has never been 'standard' on a mac.

                                      a lot of people use to have xcode and it came with that as part of fontconfig for X11,

                                      or if you have Wings3D, Gimp, Inkscape or Imagemagics you'd have it, so a few SU'ers will. but they all have FontBook it's a mac core app....

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                                        driven
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                                        TO RECAP
                                        This is the fastest I can get a usable list from X11
                                        if I remove .split[-2] from fontPath it uses /usr/local/bin and is twice as fast, same result... so the one could be used for any fc-list installed, without hardcoding a path.

                                         fontPath=(`find /*/*/bin/fc-list`).split[-2]
                                        fontList=(`#{fontPath}  ; file family | grep \/Library\/Fonts`).split("\n").collect { |f| f.split(";")[1] }.collect { |f| f.split(",")[0].strip}.to_a.uniq.compact.sort[5..-5]
                                        

                                        the .sort[5..-5] cleans out the dot files at top and some other cruft the the bottom...
                                        john
                                        EDIT: I missed a .strip that stop them running... leading whitespace.
                                        on test a couple are getting through that shouldn't
                                        *** macFonts group Error! *** i = 38 chunk = 4 font = Bitstream Charter Error #<TypeError: reference to deleted Group> Error: #<TypeError: (eval):282:inname=': reference to deleted Group>
                                        (eval):299
                                        (eval):282
                                        (eval):274:in times' (eval):274

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                                          @driven said:

                                          TT... don't you read PM's or the posts... [I am laughing]

                                          I've become so confused on this whole topic. 😕

                                          @driven said:

                                          This is the fastest I can get a usable list from X11

                                          fontPath=(find ///bin/fc-list).split[-2]
                                          That command was very slow on my mac.

                                          @driven said:

                                          the .sort[5..-5] cleans out the dot files at top and some other cruft the the bottom...
                                          Can you be sure this is the same on all machines? I'm hesitant to use magic numbers.

                                          OSX is giving me headackes in regard to this plugin. I'm tempted to just drop it all together. Taking too much time.

                                          At the moment I'm looking at first attempting fc-list, if it's installed. (Might have to do a search - so I have to cache that.) Then fall back to AppleScript and FontBook - also slow so it also needs a cache list (meaning the list won't automatically keep in sync.)

                                          sigh

                                          And that's not including the crashing...

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                                            driven
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                                            TT, maybe you want to move this, but
                                            I was looking for a UFT8 font filter and came across a simple test code for checking console encoding.

                                            I thought Ruby Console was UFT8, but it's not?

                                            I made a little test script, and ran it both from console and from plugins.
                                            same result from both...

                                            >  msg = (`perl -Mcharnames=;full -CS -wle 'print "\N{EURO SIGN}"'`).to_s
                                             puts msg
                                             rply = (`locale`).to_s
                                             puts rply
                                             result = UI.messagebox msg, MB_YESNO
                                             if result == 6 # Yes
                                               UI.messagebox("Sketchup dosen't use UFT8, it uses \n" + rply)
                                             end
                                            N{EURO SIGN}
                                            LANG=
                                            LC_COLLATE="C"
                                            LC_CTYPE="C"
                                            LC_MESSAGES="C"
                                            LC_MONETARY="C"
                                            LC_NUMERIC="C"
                                            LC_TIME="C"
                                            LC_ALL=
                                            1
                                            

                                            for comparison Terminal.app results

                                            %(#008000)[johns_iMac at upstairs in ~
                                            $ locale
                                            LANG="en_US"
                                            LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
                                            LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
                                            LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
                                            LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
                                            LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
                                            LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
                                            LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8"
                                            johns_iMac at upstairs in ~
                                            $ perl -Mcharnames=:full -CS -wle 'print "\N{EURO SIGN}"'
                                            €]
                                            john

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