Large circular lattice work
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Dam I forgot to ask about lathe. Is that the rotate tool used with copy / paste or is it something else. A quick explanation, thread link, video, anything. It's one of those terms I've heard, just haven't researched it yet.
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@ Pilou. those setting are the default for the program. I think it's the architecture feet, inches. I don't always turn them off, like when I copy something into a new file and have an idea to try. I forget about Style and just try to work out the problem. So what default format do you use?
Yes that's similar to what I'll be building, but with taller walls, smaller smoke ring, and a shallower roof. But that's the basic idea. Since I have built 1 before(plus there have been 100+ built by these plans), I know the plans work, but I'm having a problem doing it in SU. It could be my math (not like I haven't double, triple checked it and soon to do it again). Hopefully the next file won't make you want to scream at me again.
@ pbacot, welcome to scream at the noob. "Yes, I am joking around". You've got some good ideas I'll be trying. Dave and I talked about a WHOLE ZHIT load of stuff,
We both have a love for woodworking and I got to see some of his work. Basically he showed me how he draws, a quick run though on the hilex extrude. Why components are better to use and when working with smaller objects like I have been, to make a copy, scale it up, and finish the detail (great trick). Mostly what's been covered in the thread I was having problems with.@Dave, "Style?" not every guy can look that dam good in a kilt.
The custom Doubles and shirts help, But it's the English can opener I wear on my right forearm that makes the statement! 
OK joking a side, this next file is basic, it's the smoke ring, rafters, and the slat (uncurved), I tried to get the layers to work from the ground up so you can see each step in the build up. I added notes in the components info to help clarify things. As always, any suggestions, comment, rants, raves or different angles to think about, "are greatly appreciated". 1 last thing, if I copy the objects in this file into a new file. Will the layer come with them, or are they in the file protocol and not the object protocol?
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@lyconthrous said:
Dam I forgot to ask about lathe. Is that the rotate tool used with copy / paste or is it something else. A quick explanation, thread link, video, anything. It's one of those terms I've heard, just haven't researched it yet.
Layers come across with the things you paste into a new file.
Lathe is creating or modifying geometry with the follow me tool on a circle (or some other plugins). So you take a flat face in the shape of 1/2 of a vase and make it into a 3d vase. It's not like copy and paste.
http://support.google.com/sketchup/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=39339
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Seems cool!
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Well that's a beginning, Pilou has almost given me a thumbs up, I'll live with that for now.
So what template do you use, Pilou?Thanks Peter, I know that trick, Dave even said it works better scaled up. I just didn't know it was called lathe. The joys of learning a new vocabulary.
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It's just the very funny RandomPainter by Chris Fullmer!
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I'm making head way. I've got the slat to line up correctly. Now I just need to get the spacing down. Basically I went back to the 1st helix and started to double check EVERYTHING. I did find 1 small mistake I made in height, but that didn't affect anything. I also found 2 added inputs through boxes or cells on the spread sheet, but after recalculating the numbers, it seemed to small to worry about. But I started over just to play it safe. I could not tell the difference between the 1st helix and the new 1. The very tops didn't meet perfectly, but you had to really zoom in to see it. So I went through all the steps again, with 1 small twist. The outside slat is the old helix and the inside is the new. My 1st guess is I made some stupid rookie error and didn't catch it. I used some of Peter's suggestions to double check things where lined up as I went. But after practicing the steps all those times, there was less chance for an error. But I still need to check my typing when I enter file names.
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Cliff,
Those look like they line up about as perfectly as SU can. Good job.
Peter
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Clean!
But seems one slat is missing ?Here I have used the famous Grow By Tig
Who permits Array Move, Rotate, Scale in the same time!
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Thanks guys, I've had a LOT of practice trying to get it right. And a big thanks to Dave for showing me the helix and extrude by rails.
Pilou, there is a slat missing, actually 2 sets of slats missing. the spacing with the bolt holes is wrong so everything isn't lining up. I went all the way back to the beginning and found 1 more mistake that just compounded all the way through. I working on correcting that now. I also need to work on getting the holes in the slats, but that been a pain I still need to work on.
Here's the next file to check out. See if you like how I did the layers. There's small stuff missing and I want to put thread on the bolts, but that will be later.
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Seems good for people who love Layers
You have 2 general groups without names!
As in SU Layers are only layer of visibility and not layer of Geometry
Create always your objects in Layer 0, then dispatch them in layer wished
for avoid many problems!Something curious
As I am in an old country with decimal system
When I transform your measures in meters
I have that! Does this normal for a door?Ps Maybe you must choose colors of layers more near reality ? (not an obligation)
Here the objects by your Color's Layer
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@Pilou: The dimensions of that door assembly may not be standard- but, then, I would not call a yurt(s) a standard domestic structure. One standard size for USA is 32" x 80" ~(800 x 2000, where 4"= ~100mm).
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Ah for Yurt's doors that is an another story indeed!
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Pilou this file should clear things up.
Well after all the practice I've had drawing slats and trying to figure out how to space them. I've come really close. The last slat is 1/4” short (that's a 1/4” out of 536.735” circumference). As Dave would say, it's good enough for a sketch to so someone how a yurts is built. But the goal of this project is to draw it correctly down to the last nut and bolt. This is my big learning curve. I know it will take some time to finish and I'll be doing other projects before I'm done. To get it this far is “huge” to me. In the last couple of weeks, I've seen things that I've heard from people you just can't do with SU. Drawing something like this yurts is 1 of them. But then those people didn't have you guys helping them either.
The next step well working out the spacing problem, is to figure out a way to get the holes right. If I can get those right, then I should have solved my spacing problem. I've got a few ideas I've seen do something close and will give it my best shot. I've already seen a few things I'll be changing. Since I changed the top of the door, everything up there needs to be changed. Guessing is 1 thing, seeing it drawn out in 3D is another. Here's a few things for future work you guys might have seen something that would help. The canvas walls will not hang perfectly straight down, so is there a way to mimic the lattice work under the canvas to make it look closure to the real thing? If you lathe a cone shape, can you cut pie shape slices out of it?
So to Dave R, Pilou, Peter, TIG, and the rest of you guys that have posted up. Thanks for helping me get this far. Hope your around to see the final drawing.
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I wasn't as close as I though I was, but ¾” isn't that bad either. I basically have 29 slat pairs I need to adjust the spacing to make is work. So if you look at the inside of the door, you'll see the 6 studs don't line up on the slat so the are in the middle of the overlap joint.
The 1st couple of attempts at laying out the holes didn't work either. What I'm trying to do is set up a component with all the holes (extra long) and a bottom marker. The bottom marker will line up with the bottom corner of the slat and the holes in the center of the slat. When I get the comp lined up with the slat, I'll open it and explode it, cut the whole comp. Edit the slat and then paste the comp in place and use intersect to make the holes. That a lot of work per slat I know, but until I can figure out an easier way. That's my only option I feel that will work.
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