Adding Custom Aligned View to Standard Views

ArCAD-UK · 31 Aug 2012, 16:40

I'm not in agreement that we need a "custom view", I believe the required view handling is already processed through Scenes in SU. What need resolving is LO's Ortho implementation.

Having checked this out for myself I was very suprised to find the LO "Ortho" button wasn't flattening the Scene if the view isn't aligned with the standard axis, so dimensions would report a 3D distance rather than the relevant plane view dimension.

This is a dangerous implementation of "Ortho" as it would not be unreasonable to assume dimensioning an aligned view was flat but find things had gone to manufacture with unidentified and significant errors in the drawing dimensions.

The only reliable workaround is to explode the view, but that destroys the link between the model and LO.

Fix needed urgently!

sfto1 · 31 Aug 2012, 17:43

If the ortho button in LO would flatten out "aligned" scenes, that would solve the issue. I only added the thought of a custom view option in the standard views, as I am unaware of how the flattening is achieved.

Can we get more to agree that this is something that either needs to be fixed or added immediately.

P.S.

Thanks ArCAD-UK for commenting on this thread.

To SU Team and Moderators,

Is this an issue that you might consider a bug?

ArCAD-UK · 31 Aug 2012, 21:59

For anyone interested there is a graphical example here...

http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=47493#p425008

porch_unplugged · 28 Sept 2012, 09:19

I came across this when i was working in layout a couple of weeks ago. I just ended up putting dimensions in the sketchup model and layering it properly. it would be handy to have it fixed though.

sonder · 29 Sept 2012, 05:36

I would not want this to change, at least for my workflow. There are times when I want to see offset dimensions, especially when detailing in 3d. All of my plans & sections are generated through the section tool which by default creates a 2d plane that LO follows very well. If LO automatically flattened, it would eliminate the possibility of offset dimensions (which are accurate to their 3d arrangement) as shown in that link. Had those three rectangular cubes been dimensioned via use of the section tool, they would be accurate to their 2d displacement.

Just my 2 selfish cents.

beginner · 29 Sept 2012, 14:26

It seems like the Bentley's 2D/3D Button would be good for all of us.

sonder · 30 Sept 2012, 07:52

@beginner said:

It seems like the Bentley's 2D/3D Button would be good for all of us.

Actually, I want a right foot pedal switch, that speeds things up.

beginner · 30 Sept 2012, 11:29

Hi Sonder
Reading your post again,

@unknownuser said:

There are times when I want to see offset dimensions, especially when detailing in 3d

I understand that - 3D Osnap is useful in 3D View but,
I try to understand why do you need 3D Osnap in 2D View/Aligned View?

ArCAD-UK · 30 Sept 2012, 12:32

@unknownuser said:

Had those three rectangular cubes been dimensioned via use of the section tool, they would be accurate to their 2d displacement.

Have you tried that Nik? I just tried with v8 on PC and still get the same 3D dimensions rather than the 2D cut plane dimensions

sfto1 · 3 Feb 2013, 20:03

@unknownuser said:

I would not want this to change, at least for my workflow. There are times when I want to see offset dimensions, especially when detailing in 3d. All of my plans & sections are generated through the section tool which by default creates a 2d plane that LO follows very well. If LO automatically flattened, it would eliminate the possibility of offset dimensions (which are accurate to their 3d arrangement) as shown in that link. Had those three rectangular cubes been dimensioned via use of the section tool, they would be accurate to their 2d displacement.

Just my 2 selfish cents.

Not sure how a custom aligned view would be detrimental. It would be user controlled. Use it if you want or ignore it if you wish. Just looking for an option that would work as ortho views are traditionally used, i.e.flattened. Using a section plane work around is clever, but it is still a work around for a "Layout" flaw IMO.

Sketchup team should address this and fix it in such a way that "Layout" will treat any ortho view (standard or custom) as a flattened view with the 2d dimensioning accuracy that is reasonably expected. If offset dimensions are required, then a 3d view with dimensions could be used.

Not ready or willing to suspend drafting convention, when the fix is possibly simple. Even if it is not simple,it is a task worth under taking in order to have LO become a seriously considered 2d presentation/construction documentation solution.

BTW, Sonder your work is impressive.