Never upload your work to 3D warehouse!!!

jeff hammond

Clearly it needs rewording and clarifying.

i don't really get the reasoning behind it but… i think they do that crap on purpose

Hieru

I think that may be sending the wrong message.

I agree. To me it reads as if it's referring to exact copies of models from the warehouse - but that contradicts the TOS.

Clearly it needs rewording and clarifying.

I don't understand how you can retain the copyright on your model when others are allowed to redistribute them as they like. I think that modifying or adapting models is within the spirit of the warehouse, but I would personally like to see the unattributed redistribution of unaltered models prohibited (unless they are used as part of a large scene).

As the TOS stands I'm still happy to continue sharing models via the warehouse, but it would be good to see some kind of revision in the future.

Hieru

Maybe, but I'd be more inclined to think that it's because they couldn't figure out how to reconcile the fact that you can't protect creative copyright when giving content away for free.

I don't think it possible either. The best you could hope for are TOS that oblige users to credit modelers when redistributing their work. 9 times out of 10 that won't happen though.

jeff hammond

@hieru said:

Maybe, but I'd be more inclined to think that it's because they couldn't figure out how to reconcile the fact that you can't protect creative copyright when giving content away for free.

I don't think it possible either. The best you could hope for are TOS that oblige users to credit modelers when redistributing their work. 9 times out of 10 that won't happen though.

oh.. i meant 'they' as in lawyers in general (or whoever it is that writes like that)..
i mean, i sort of get it.. they go to school for years and study all these past cases etc. in which that type of language is used.. i'm sure at the base of it, there are certain clarifications being made by their choice of words but the problem is, most people -- the people that have to agree to these clauses -- do not understand the language being used..
as i see it, it's not as if they're using words/ideas/concepts that can't be put into plain english for us plebs.. anyway..

regarding the copyright being kept by the original author.. i guess* that means the original author can still sell the model whereas everyone else just has royalty free usage rights. (i.e.- you can't download a model then sell it.. however, you can download a model and use it in a rendering or something which is being sold or used commercially) ???
the original author also has the right to pull the model off the warehouse in the future.. (i.e.- by uploading to the warehouse, you're not giving all rights to google in which they then have full control over how the model is distributed in the future) ??

please note my use of the word 'guess' there

Hussel Hann

I can't believe that all the models that I click to see are all reported stolen.
Its funny and creepy at the same time. Titi aka Oliver Aubry is a 3D model psycho @ stalker maybe... (just joking)

Hieru

@unknownuser said:

i.e.- you can't download a model then sell it

That's what I thought as well, but........

"You give other end users of the Services a perpetual, sublicensable, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute Existing Geolocated Models, Existing Non-Geolocated Models, New Models and related content and derivative works thereof which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."

The above clearly says that there it's OK to download models from the warehouse and then redistribute them. Wouldn't selling models count as redistribution?

jeff hammond

this is the point in the conversation where i just quit guessing (the part where money comes into play and needing to interpret the TOS).. i mean, i'm just making guesses in this thread, and i hope my comments come through as such, but i don't want to mislead anyone about this.

it'd be really nice for a google/trimble rep to clarify these questions for us but for some reason, i highly doubt that's going to happen

but one other guess i might make -- is that titi doesn't know about some of the features of the warehouse… and that his uploads are basically just his way of bookmarking certain models that he may need to use further down the road..

judging by all of his uploaded models, it doesn't look to me like he's just going around scooping up nice models then trying to present them to the public as his own..

Hieru

There are so many contradictions all any of us can do is take a guess at how we are supposed to interpret the TOS

I would however imagine that Trimble will probably eventually get around to looking at the TOS.

@unknownuser said:

his uploads are basically just his way of bookmarking certain models that he may need to use further down the road.

That's certainly a possibility - I hadn't thought of that.

Trogluddite

@hieru said:

The above clearly says...

I understand what the extract is getting at yes - but I am fortunate enough to have had a good education, and am old enough to have had many work contracts to ponder before signing on the dotted line. (and I took the effort to actually read it!)
But not everybody is so fortunate - what is wrong with...
perpetual = for ever
sublicensable = share it with friends
derivative work = the one you changed the colour of
Even when the words used in EULAs do appear common-sense, they may have very specific non-intuitive meanings when used legally.
In reality, the majority of such agreements are signed by folks not able to fully understand what they are signing (that is not intended to sound demeaning) - what else are folks meant to do?- you could not possibly use a PC for anything if you are not prepared to pretend that you read it, understood it, and tick "I agree".

I think that like the EULAs of many "community" sites, the 'legalese' is used to obscure the true intent of the agreement - not for the peace of mind of end users, but to protect the site host from being prosecuted for 'aiding and abetting' illegal activity.
The EULA is Google's way of saying "protecting your copyright is not our problem."

Hieru

@trogluddite said:

I think that like the EULAs of many "community" sites, the 'legalese' is used to obscure the true intent of the agreement - not for the peace of mind of end users, but to protect the site host from being prosecuted for 'aiding and abetting' illegal activity.
The EULA is Google's way of saying "protecting your copyright is not our problem."

That's the way I interpret it as well, although I would add that it's carefully worded to make it look like they have the interests of the end users at heart.

Nentautako

@gaieus said:

By sharing a model, you acknowledge any "derivated" versions shared by anyone else in the 3DWH. Now what "derivative" is, can be, of course a matter of discussion but keep one thing in mind: Google wants these models to be accessible to the widest variety of users. They (as a corporation) do not give the slightest shit who shared the model (first). You, by sharing it, give right to others to use (and modify and re-publish etc.) your model. That's it. Read the TOS.

If you do not want these dudes to do so, you have the option to control who can downloadthe model at all...

agree with you. if you dont wanna share your model but just to notice people that you are the modeller. you could "tick" the box of "only you and contributors could download the file". i'm doing this for some particulars models that i made. strange thing is... there were several models i have intended to share but google have problems to accept model which more than 15MB. that's my only problem. beside, if you just wanna show off your model [not to share it] you'll have interesting message on your "comments" on the model. people who share should willing to accept any kind of action in regard of his/her model. i'm the first modeller who made new-honda jazz [basic model] and gratefully somebody from Phillipines improve. that's how it works on 3d WH. don't you think its akind of childish to complain like that?