Scary today.
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Under 'Scots Law' in criminal cases there are three possible jury verdicts [with two 'outcomes' Conviction/Acquittal]
Conviction >> Guilty
which means - we [by a majority] are are sure that you did it.
Acquittal - Not-Guilty]
which means - we [by a majority] are sure that you didn't do it.
AND
Acquittal - Not Proven
which means - we [by a majority] think that you did it... but there's not enough evidence for us to say 'guilty' !Which I think is a fair enough system
I terms of jury composure... in Scotland it is 15 members - larger than any other European system - [this can fall as low as 12 should jurors become unavailable through illness etc]: with 15 there's always a majority if the decision is split because any '8' in favor of one of the three possible verdicts is acceptable; whereas in the England/Wales the jury is 12 members, with a unanimous verdict required initially, but if after two hours there appears there can be no agreement the judge may direct that a majority verdict will be acceptable - a majority being 10 or more in favor of a verdict, but at 9:3 or worse there must be a retrial !
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We have a very similar system although the wording (and grouping) is somewhat different
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Guilty
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Not guilty
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Due to lack of crime (i.e. provedto be "innocent")
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Due to lack of evidence (i.e. may or even may not be guilty/innocent but neither can be fully proven)
One can even appeal against a judgement that he was not guilty due to lack of evidence and go on with the trial for a final "innocent" verdict too.
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Then there is SU acquited which means guilty becasue you're american. I get it.
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@mics_54 said:
ACQUITTED
past participle, past tense of ac·quit (Verb)Verb: 1.Free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilty.Perhaps in SERBIA there is no such thing as "not guilty"?
Sorry for my bad English but I don't understand. What do you mean? -
I am just trying to say that sometimes what we wish to be true isn't, and many times , if not most, the mind becomes a possession of belief rather than belief a possession of the mind.
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@mics_54 said:
I am just trying to say that sometimes what we wish to be true isn't, and many times , if not most, the mind becomes a possession of belief rather than belief a possession of the mind.
I agree.
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Indeed - one can find an anecdote to demonstrate the "truth" of almost any given belief. We should be analysing whether the relation between economic power and justice is systemic, rather than demonising any one individual when we are not in full possession of the facts of his case.
PS) I think the word "today" is rather redundant - has there ever been a time when power did not make leniency more likely?
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Today I was... well, not "scared" but rather uncertain and uncomfortable when sat down to my desk. I knew something was not right and disturbing me...
...until my wife told me that she'd cleaned up my work space.
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@trogluddite said:
Indeed - one can find an anecdote to demonstrate the "truth" of almost any given belief. We should be analysing whether the relation between economic power and justice is systemic, rather than demonising any one individual when we are not in full possession of the facts of his case.
PS) I think the word "today" is rather redundant - has there ever been a time when power did not make leniency more likely?
It was not me who made this "anecdote". I found it on the web. What attracted me was first punishment (50 years for megaupload!). I admit the rest of pictures I don't know nothing about, and apologies if they are not true. They seems very much possible to me and serve well as illustration, not a proof. I doubt there was so high punishment in 20th century for stealing...
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Sorry if my criticism seemed too harsh. It was not meant to be so - I quite agree with the sentiment that 'the punishment should fit the crime'
But the soldier has been judged innocent of any crime, and I doubt that any of us here has any better knowledge than the court that judged him. -
OK, we don't know much about these cases.
Let's have a look at the photos then. Mr Kim looks more criminal person than the other two guys (in fact, they don't look criminals at all) .
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